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I have the right to complain. Do nothing to change things......
Tom
Hey Tom -
No offense was intended from my side of things, and I certainly did not interpret that from yours. We simply have differing opinions. I am looking at it from the logistical point of things. You were looking at it from your viewpoint.
Hope we can meet down the road sometimes to share stories.
Sue
Sue, we actually did meet once. You were on your way back from a rally meeting in Missouri, I was on my way to Collinsville, IL for a training conference. It was the fall of 06, I saw your beautiful GS at a gas stop. You came out and we talked breifly and you told me where the rally was going to be. You are a very nice person, it you rmemeber the meeting I hope I left you w/ a similar impression. From what I saw you and your staff did a bang up job. And I did not take any offense to your response, I understand your point of view. That GS is lucky to have you as its owner
Tom
It appears that the above response says it all, oh well it was just a suggestion that has got me labled as a non-conformist, wet t-shirt loving, beer swilling, and "not our kind of people". Good riddance, cheap skate, glad you hated it so now you wont show up at any other of the events.
The BMW CCA's Oktoberfest is a different kind of rally with different logistics. It attracts "hundreds" instead of the MOA's 8,000. It is hotel-based (cost not included) with events spread out over different venues. While the MOA is a centralized event where members don't have to leave security at the end of each day. What may work for Oktoberfest may be unworkable for our rally.Zero to none ... but if part of the argument has been the logistics (how can the car club figure it out but the motorcycle club can't ???)...
Curious: How many potential day passes do we think will be sold in the desolate region of NE Wyoming?
Are all future rallies going to be in NE Wyoming? I guess that would put the day pass issue to rest.
I think a day pass is a great idea- for a small local rally, held near the sponsoring club's home base. It welcomes the tire-kickers and the general public, enhances enrollment and rally attendance, supports the vendors- looks like a winner all around.
But for the National, the pros are sketchy, and the cons stack up pretty fast.
The BMW CCA's Oktoberfest is a different kind of rally with different logistics. It attracts "hundreds" instead of the MOA's 8,000. It is hotel-based (cost not included) with events spread out over different venues. While the MOA is a centralized event where members don't have to leave security at the end of each day. What may work for Oktoberfest may be unworkable for our rally.
Michael
I can't see it as being unworkable. Most events other than the driving events (track and autocross) are central to the hotel. If you consider a campground as simply another type of hotel, there is little difference. Wrist band color for an event pass and another color for each day for a day pass. We already have attendees who don't stay at the central campground (hotels, motorhomes, etc) so it's not a new issue in many ways.
It's time to think out of the box and try not to get caught up in "it's the way we've always done it" rationalization for not embracing change. Not change simply for the sake of change, but to better an already good idea.
We go through this every year. A handful of people wish there were day passes. There are many reasons why day passes are NOT a good idea.
ONE reason is that it would be almost impossible to police. Seriously. This is a fact. We already have different colored wristbands for those who are under 21, vendors, regular attendees, etc. Adding yet another wristband (or even more, if we had one for each day) would NOT be a good idea.
TWO is that if I paid $35 to come onto the rally, it would seem unfair that some non-member off the street could get into my own club's event for less. Yeah, I have a problem with that. This is MY club event. If anyone gets in for less, it should be us, the members.
THREE - fiscal responsibility
What must be taken into account, everyone, is the bottom line. Things that must be lined up ahead of time include:
fair ground rental
electrical needs for vendors
radios
golf carts
caterers
Portable toilets
Tables
Chairs
tents
seminar spaces
video equipment
sound equipment
musical performers
pins & patches for attendees
more......
The cost for renting all of these items will not change, but if we start letting some people in for less, we might not be able to cover these costs. The only way I can see of assuring that these expenses would be covered [if we offered day passes] would be to increase the 3-day fee, so some day-pass people could get in for less. Personally, I wouldn't like that very much either.
The national rally is a GREAT event, everyone. Consider the gate fee as supporting your club.
Hotel rooms have doors.
So do tents.
Day passes INCREASE attendance by attracting those who can't/won't attend the entire event. Those that do so now will continue to do so. The revenue effect is irrefutably positive.
A few of us were discussing the day pass issue over breakfast this weekend. The security issue was high on most peoples' minds, with the concern that opening the door to day passes would also open the door to the possibility of more mischief. Just the thoughts of a few of us ... RMMVThe big nugget to me is security. We're not talking about a bunch of people in hotel rooms. We're talking about tents and bikes with keys in them and all our gear spread out for the entire world to see. It's a fantastic atmosphere of relaxed trust. Having that kind of exposure isn't an issue "in the family", but when the general public starts wandering through, wrist bands or not...