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Yeah, I do. Basically, the process I observed is just like joining a clique in junior high school. One of the "cool guys" asked me if I wanted to be a moderator. I agreed. A couple weeks later, I found out that I wasn't a moderator anymore. Apparently the "cool guys" decided I was no longer "in" and I discovered by chance one day that I was "out." They were so cool, that they didn't even bother to tell me AFTER the fact that I was no longer a moderator, let alone warn me that I was coloring outside the lines.if you were a mod at one point i would think you might understand the process.
DANG! Nope. Ya learn something new every day!flash - by any chance did you report those posts to a moderator? that little exclamation point button at the lower left of every post is there for doing that.
it's confusing to me why there is controversy when everyone seems to have gotten what they wanted/asked for...
interesting communication styles above. hodag's response is reminiscent of a spoiled little kid daring his parents to take away his toys. it's taunting, it's a dare, and it's disrespectful. it is not in any way an example of how to get along well with people. you can paint rob's comments however you like, but from what i see above, hodag had a choice between throwing water on the fire, or throwing gasoline on it, and made a clear choice.
how would you have reacted in that situation? would you have been introspective and sought to speak with rob and find out why he felt the way he did? would you want to discuss the whole "three strikes" comment and try to understand what the heck is going on? would you say, "whoa, what the heck is going on here, why am i getting this?" or would you just lash out? some people want to make the word a better place, and some people are seduced by conflict.
maybe there is a lesson for all of us in this in that we should try to do a few things whenever we are in the forums in an effort to make the discussion and environment less annoying for everyone:
1. talk about motorcycles.
2. strive to be a good communicator. explain ourselves. err on the side of verbosity in an effort to get your point across kindly.
3. avoid childish behavior. we're all adults in here, and i think we all realize when we are being inciteful, and when we are not. we have a pretty good track record in this forum of being really good at talking about BMW motorcycles like reasonable, rational, polite, considerate adults. when the topics are not motorcycle related the behavior is sometimes less than stellar. so when we're discussing non-motorcycle-related topics, we should all check ourselves. we should pause before hitting the "submit reply" button. are we being caustic? are we being denigrating? are we lashing out emotionally? are we trying to make the clubs and forum better, or are we trying to tear it down? if a new member were to log on for the first time and observe us, would they form a positive opinion of the forums, or a negative opinion? is our post useful to the online community of BMW MOA members? does our post enhance ownership of a BMW or enrich the experience of being in the club?
i have observed a small cadre of folks that either do not ask themselves the above questions, or are unable or unwilling to deign the truthful answers. we shouldn't need a long list of specific rules and examples - this is kindergarten stuff folks.
it is also my opinion that participation in the forums is a priviledge, not a right. paying your dues gets you in the door, but your conduct in the forums is how you earn the priviledge of ongoing participation. if someone came and sat with us at the rally and disrupted our conversation, interjected divisive or insulting statements, or in general acted like a jerk, they would be asked to move along. people should be held to the same standard here.
DANG! Nope. Ya learn something new every day!
So when somebody mashes that button, what happens?
Oh, right... there is nothing defined.
Nevermind.
All decisions are unilateral and based on unwritten rules.
The "in" guys get an email or a PM and the "out" guys get banned.
And in no case will anyone ever get to converse with their accusor.
[sarcasm]
Hand out the bedsheets with the eyeholes. We're all anonymous here.
Great system we've got here in the MOA. NO need for improvement.
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the "Posting Guidelines - Please Read" sticky said:So, how does moderation work?
Your friendly neighborhood moderators will make every effort to work with the membership to come to an agreeable solution to what are, in keeping with the guidelines, problematic posts.
We'll send a Personal Message, encouraging the poster to either edit or delete the post and why we feel they should. We'll do these items in private to preserve everyone's dignity.
If they don't want to play along, and we certainly hope they do, we can either lock the thread down, or delete the post. Locked threads will be moved to the forum the Doghouse so folks can understand what is and isn't acceptable.
In short, nobody likes a tyrant. But everybody can live in a place where the rules are clear and applied fairly. We're striving to operate under that kind of framework.
Even if you ARE one of the IN guys, Ian, you've got a GREAT sense of humor and you're OK in my book.Or... lacking patience... which I've asked you to have several times, maybe you can be bought off with a Kermit Chair and a Club Jacket?
flash412 said:Even if you ARE one of the IN guys, Ian, you've got a GREAT sense of humor and you're OK in my book.
Now that I know there's a policy in the works, I'm HAPPY to be chilling out.
XOXOXOX,
- Flash
and... *anyone* who has comments about moderation policy, and the direction they'd like to see it go... what's the thought on starting a fresh thread and heading in a positive direction?
This validation is important, coming from Thom!Well done men....
Breeze
Who cares?
There is currently an election on. The lines have been fairly clearly drawn as to where people stand. It is regretable when club elections are closely contested, especially over issues such as this. We have seen, in the past year or two, an ascension to power of people who have a clear direction and intent for the direction the club should be taken. With all due respect to key aspirants for offices they do not currently hold, not many with strongly contrasting views have stepped up to contest those in power. This either signifies a general acceptance of the direction the club is going or a general lack of interest in what happens in club politics as long as ON doesn't appreciably change (it hasn't in any major way) and they can go to a rally and have fun with other members with similar interest (the reason d'etre for the club). I believe the latter holds sway. If there are some rough spots on the forum, so be it. While a fair number of members are registered, the number of active participants, especially in the "Clubhouse" and the "Campfire" where most bannable activity takes place, are limited. So while a few members are concerned over Hodag's banning it, much like the Editor wars, will only succed in driving a few members out of either active participation or membership in the club.
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Hey buddy,
Tell everyone to just let it die, not worth even discussing anymore. Its just the internet.
I spent a good part of the day discussing it with Rob, and the only real thing accomplished was me developing a attitude of complete lack of caring about the situation. IÔÇÖve washed my hands of the whole deal and just walked away.
IÔÇÖll see you at west bend.
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