Stop Sale on all NEW BMW Motorcycles

[motodan]

As a BMW Rep once told me during the rear strut DON’T RIDE debacle on RT’s in 2014, “IT DOESN’T MATTER, THE BUYING PUBLIC HAS A VERY SHORT MEMORY. “ That may be so however, if the public keeps getting these reminders on a regular basis perhaps eventually they won’t be so quick to forget.

 

[Omega Man]

A little more courtesy of RideApart-

https://www.rideapart.com/news/687857/bmw-motorrad-usa-stop-sale/

OM

 

[veefore]

There has to be a way for BMW to fix its obviously flawed quality control operation.

My best friend is a Yamaha fan, and he keeps asking me why the BMW with its poor quality when there's a great Yamaha dealership less than 2 miles away from me.

I'm embarrassed for BMW, even if BMW is not.

Sad.....

E.

I have friends that were Yamaha loyal…to each their own. They have had issues with valve guides…..transmissions….. recalls also.

 

[oldcamper]

I have friends that were Yamaha loyal…to each their own. They have had issues with valve guides…..transmissions….. recalls also.

I owned a Honda GL1800 that was involved in a frame recall, and Honda inspected and re-welded every single one that could develop a problem. They sent me a letter of apology afterwards and extended the warranty on my bike to 50,000 miles in compensation for the inconvenience it caused while the bike was in for repair.

So yeah, they all have problems.

 

[Omega Man]

I’m still looking for info on how this occurred…….and the remedy. Seems like after the big dust-up, it’s yesterday’s news.

A little here- https://adventuremotorcycle.com/news/bmw-usa-temporary-stop-sales-2023


Seems that the Motorrad website needs an update?

https://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/en/home.html#/filter-all



OM

 

[stevenrankin]

News

Must be the news came from the same sources I have regarding BMW's issues. St.

 

[oldcamper]

I’m still looking for info on how this occurred…….and the remedy. Seems like after the big dust-up, it’s yesterday’s news.

A little here- https://adventuremotorcycle.com/news/bmw-usa-temporary-stop-sales-2023


Seems that the Motorrad website needs an update?

https://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/en/home.html#/filter-all



OM

BMW knows the US EPA doesn’t mess around when it comes to emissions compliance. CFMoto was fined $725,000 in 2014 for a relatively few scooters and ATVs they sold that did not meet regulatory standards, including compliance sticker application.

It does seem odd the stop sale currently only affects US sales though. I wonder if EPA testing determined the design was adversely affected by routine overfilling, which can soak the activated charcoal in the canister and degrade adsorptive properties of the material over time. I think emissions equipment warranty requirement in the US is different than the standard drivetrain warranty, and may be longer.

 

[Omega Man]

BMW knows the US EPA doesn’t mess around when it comes to emissions compliance. CFMoto was fined $725,000 in 2014 for a relatively few scooters and ATVs they sold that did not meet regulatory standards, including compliance sticker application.

It does seem odd the stop sale currently only affects US sales though. I wonder if EPA testing determined the design was adversely affected by routine overfilling, which can soak the activated charcoal in the canister and degrade adsorptive properties of the material over time. I think emissions equipment warranty requirement in the US is different than the standard drivetrain warranty, and may be longer.

Yeah, somewhere the VV/Porsche diesel deal was referenced. So many times threads on fuel fill/capacity occur on the forum it makes me wonder about those trying to squeeze every last drop into the tank. I posted that on the F800GS for me to fill it full, without overfilling, to the same level takes a number of visual observations.
Just sticking the fuel nozzle in and waiting for it to automatically stop results in an overflow……which by the way, is not full. It’s just the volume crashing on the nozzle.
It does not on the fuel nozzles- “Do not top off”.

OM

 

[lee]

It does seem odd the stop sale currently only affects US sales though.

A lot of countries do not use the charcoal canister.
Maybe the US is the only country to use it.

 

[mikegalbicka]

it does note on the fuel nozzles- “do not top off”.

om

fify

 

[motodan]

BMW seems to have pulled a VW and it has been going on for at least eight years. Appears BMW is in very hot water. There will be heavy fines, the question is how high will they go? Things are going to get much “leaner” balance sheet wise as well as at the exhaust pipe.

 

[Omega Man]

fify

Wanted to see if you were up for the task-

https://forums.bmwmoa.org/showthrea...r-more-jokes&p=1312334&viewfull=1#post1312334



OM

 

[mikegalbicka]

BMW seems to have pulled a VW and it has been going on for at least eight years. Appears BMW is in very hot water. There will be heavy fines, the question is how high will they go? Things are going to get much “leaner” balance sheet wise as well as at the exhaust pipe.

What do you know that no one else seems to?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billro...erican-ice-motorcycle-models/?sh=6df1166721c1

“BMW has taken the action of its own volition after an internal investigation and not in response to any regulatory bodies such as the DOT or EPA in the United States or elsewhere. The order affects dealers in the United States and Canada. The DOT and EPA have not issued any bulletins in regards to the issue.”

 

[c10950]

I just went ahead and resolved the problem on my 2023 RS . The EVAP can is gone , and it was not easy to remove where its stuffed ahead of the ABS unit but behind the radiator . I know this is popular on many BMW's and other makes .

 

[bewareboy]

Wanted to see if you were up for the task-

https://forums.bmwmoa.org/showthrea...r-more-jokes&p=1312334&viewfull=1#post1312334



OM

Hilarious is all I can say, but has some truth to it.

 

[easy]

I just went ahead and resolved the problem on my 2023 RS . The EVAP can is gone , and it was not easy to remove where its stuffed ahead of the ABS unit but behind the radiator . I know this is popular on many BMW's and other makes .

I don't understand. If you took the canister out, what did you replace it with in order to meet EPA standards?

E.

 

[motodan]

What do you know that no one else seems to?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billro...erican-ice-motorcycle-models/?sh=6df1166721c1

“BMW has taken the action of its own volition after an internal investigation and not in response to any regulatory bodies such as the DOT or EPA in the United States or elsewhere. The order affects dealers in the United States and Canada. The DOT and EPA have not issued any bulletins in regards to the issue.”

We all have our sources, the ones we think has most insight. And the Forbes article, perhaps much like when a university does its own "voluntary" investigation, then notifies NCAA of its infractions. It is then when it all hits the fan.

 

[mikegalbicka]

We all have our sources, the ones we think has most insight. And the Forbes article, perhaps much like when a university does its own "voluntary" investigation, then notifies NCAA of its infractions. It is then when it all hits the fan.

I am interested. PM me if you don't care to share publicly.

 

[EUGENE]

Let's start at the beginning, how many years back does this PROBLEM go?
Then what is the solution?

 

[pglaves]

Let's start at the beginning, how many years back does this PROBLEM go?
Then what is the solution?

From what dealers have posted it seems to apply to all new and used BMW motorcycles. A quick glance at the inventory at Engle Motors in Kansas City shows they have a 1991 R100RT, a 1978 R100RS, and a 1952 R51 listed. I wonder about a stop sale on those???????????????????????