Went down last year with no knee protection. Had jenes on, helmet, Vanson mesh jacket. Broke my leg. Now I am toying with the idea of not riding anymore ATGATT or not. I to get frustrated when I see the HD crowd with no helmet, etc. but it is not only the HD riders. I have seen the rice rocket boys with helmet and no body protection. And I have seen the occasional BMW near nude rider, shorts tank top and flip-flops. Like they say in the step programs, Let go and Let God.