Warm n Safe jacket liner choice…

[collingsbob]

a couple of really uncomfortable days while wearing Klim Latitude last summer in +30c temps, I’ve decided to wear Klim Induction with a Warm n Safe Jacket liner at temps over +20c..
The question is..which jacket liner?
They make a waterproof liner, which would seem to me to defeat airflow, but maybe that’s a good idea if it’s warm and raining..
They make 2 different wattages of heated liner, I think the lower of the 2 will be adequate - any recommendations?

 

[GTRider]

Heated gear will expand the temp range you’re comfortable riding in, and on a really cold day, or a day where you get ambushed by a weather front, there is no such thing as too much heat. I’m personally on a WnS gen 3 liner with wireless controller, and that liner goes with me at least 9 months of the year. And one of the best things about WarmNsafe gear is you can trade it in if you wish to upgrade later on.

Best,
DeVern

 

[PGlaves]

Heated gear will expand the temp range you’re comfortable riding in, and on a really cold day, or a day where you get ambushed by a weather front, there is no such thing as too much heat. I’m personally on a WnS gen 3 liner with wireless controller, and that liner goes with me at least 9 months of the year. And one of the best things about WarmNsafe gear is you can trade it in if you wish to upgrade later on.

Best,
DeVern

Agree 100%.

I'll add a funny story. Back in the mid 1980s BMW branded a heated vest. Having frozen on a few fall rally trips I decided one of those vests would be a perfect Christmas present for Voni. And unbeknownst to me Voni decided the same thing for me. We each somehow managed to purchase the vests at Engle Motors in Kansas City without the other knowing. How Mike Jones at Engles didn't crack up at this situation still escapes me. Surreptitiously I asked our daughter Melanie, then a teenager, to wrap my present for Voni. And as life would have it in the pre-Christmas rush, Voni had Melanie wrap her present for me. Christmas present opening time arrived and I opened mine before Voni opened hers. As soon as I saw it I assumed Melanie had screwed up the wrapping/labeling. I looked over at her with a quizzical look on my face and she burst out laughing. Soon Voni opened hers and the irony of identical presents was fully disclosed. I used that vest for many years until I got a jacket liner with sleeves.

 

[pauls1150]

I use an older Gerbings jacket liner with sleeves plus gloves; there definitely are times when I crank that controller up to Max.
You're in Winnipeg? Go for the hotter one!

 

[robsryder]

I am confused by the OP's request. 20 degC is 68 degF, which I find to be comfortable and wear a jacket for protection not warmth or cooling. 30 degC is 86 degF which can be warm, depending on the relative humidity. Out west in low humidity, one can wet down the base layer shirt and control the amount of cooling with the vent zippers. In the east, one might wish to have a mesh jacket or will want most of the zippers open. If it rains, the choice is hot and sweaty or cool(er) and wet.

Here are a couple of links for cooling gear on a motorcycle -

Motorcycle Cooling Vest | Cooling Vest for Motorcycle

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www.mycoolingstore.com

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At temps below 50 degF (10 degC) I find a heated jacket liner to work well below my one-piece Stich. Heated gloves can be nice also.
I started with the Widder gear 30 years back. Since then I have used Gerbing, Warm-n-Safe, and California Heat. All have worked well for me; I use connectors with PWM controllers that connect with my fused battery charger / maintainer plug. This plug is directly connected to the battery and does not interact with the CanBus system.

Gerbing 12V Jackets & Vests - The Original Heated Clothing

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[oldcamper]

Agree 100%.

I'll add a funny story. Back in the mid 1980s BMW branded a heated vest. Having frozen on a few fall rally trips I decided one of those vests would be a perfect Christmas present for Voni. And unbeknownst to me Voni decided the same thing for me. We each somehow managed to purchase the vests at Engle Motors in Kansas City without the other knowing. How Mike Jones at Engles didn't crack up at this situation still escapes me. Surreptitiously I asked our daughter Melanie, then a teenager, to wrap my present for Voni. And as life would have it in the pre-Christmas rush, Voni had Melanie wrap her present for me. Christmas present opening time arrived and I opened mine before Voni opened hers. As soon as I saw it I assumed Melanie had screwed up the wrapping/labeling. I looked over at her with a quizzical look on my face and she burst out laughing. Soon Voni opened hers and the irony of identical presents was fully disclosed. I used that vest for many years until I got a jacket liner with sleeves.

I think they were made by Eclipse.
Back then it was well over a 12 hour ride back home to the Northland from the Falling Leaf rally in Bland, Mo in October. We didn’t have heat controllers then, just an on/off switch and I left my vest switched on all day and cooked a spot on my belly from a hot spot where the wires entered the vest. I might still have a scar there. At least I didn’t freeze that day …

 

[paul_f]

I think they were made by Eclipse.
Back then it was well over a 12 hour ride back home to the Northland from the Falling Leaf rally in Bland, Mo in October. We didn’t have heat controllers then, just an on/off switch and I left my vest switched on all day and cooked a spot on my belly from a hot spot where the wires entered the vest. I might still have a scar there. At least I didn’t freeze that day …

My first heated gear was a vest which I wore to and from me an early April Branson Blitz. Like yours, my vest had only an on/off switch. With the temperatures below 30F, I discovered when I got home, my gut did burn. Fortunately no scars.

 

[paul_f]

I am confused by the OP's request. 20 degC is 68 degF, which I find to be comfortable and wear a jacket for protection not warmth or cooling. 30 degC is 86 degF which can be warm, depending on the relative humidity. Out west in low humidity, one can wet down the base layer shirt and control the amount of cooling with the vent zippers. In the east, one might wish to have a mesh jacket or will want most of the zippers open. If it rains, the choice is hot and sweaty or cool(er) and wet.

Possibly the OP has issues similar to me. In my case, I have always felt the cold in the summer when others have not. My Motoport riding gear is all mesh. It is not uncommon for me to wear my Gerbings heated jacket (without the heat turned on) into the mid 70sF, as I am usually cold riding at those temperatures. As well, I wear a long sleeve turtle neck shirt which I take off about 80F. At 90+F, the shirt goes back on after being soaked with water, which is good for a couple of hours. (I also do not sweat (as normal beings do) nor often feel humidity.

Conversely, cold winter temperatures do not bother me much. The truth is that driving long distances with my wife in the car in either winter or summer is not always pleasant. Despite separate controls for heating and cooling in the car, we can not agree on temperature control settings.

 

[collingsbob]

I am confused by the OP's request. 20 degC is 68 degF, which I find to be comfortable and wear a jacket for protection not warmth or cooling. 30 degC is 86 degF which can be warm, depending on the relative humidity. Out west in low humidity, one can wet down the base layer shirt and control the amount of cooling with the vent zippers. In the east, one might wish to have a mesh jacket or will want most of the zippers open. If it rains, the choice is hot and sweaty or cool(er) and wet.

Here are a couple of links for cooling gear on a motorcycle -

Motorcycle Cooling Vest | Cooling Vest for Motorcycle

Motorcycle Cooling Vest | Cooling Vest for Motorcycle - Don't let the heat of summer keep you from your ride. My Cooling Store has the best brands of cooling vests for you to wear while you are out on your motorcycle. Take the bite out of our the sizzle with a motorcycle cooling vest!

www.mycoolingstore.com

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At temps below 50 degF (10 degC) I find a heated jacket liner to work well below my one-piece Stich. Heated gloves can be nice also.
I started with the Widder gear 30 years back. Since then I have used Gerbing, Warm-n-Safe, and California Heat. All have worked well for me; I use connectors with PWM controllers that connect with my fused battery charger / maintainer plug. This plug is directly connected to the battery and does not interact with the CanBus system.

Gerbing 12V Jackets & Vests - The Original Heated Clothing

Gerbing Heated Clothing - The Original Heated Gear

www.gerbing.com

Warm & Safe Heated Clothing the Warmest Clothing in the Universe

The Warm & Safe Heated Clothing is made to be light, thin and body fitting. Not just for motorcycling but now with our advance 7.4V Heat Layer clothing, you can be warm in all situations. Our Heat-troller, heated clothing controller, you control the level of heat from nothing to 100%. Heat where...

www.warmnsafe.com

Heated Motorsports Gear | Gerbing, exo2 and More | TheWarmingStore.com

Hit the road during the cold winter months with heated motorcycle gear. From men and women’s heated jackets for motorcycles to warming hel...

www.thewarmingstore.com

Please, don’t be confused.
At +10c I’m wearing 2 Smartwool base layers and a Klim latitude jacket with all the forward facing zippers closed.
At +20c I’m wearing a short sleeve Smartwool base layer and all zippers open.
At +30c I’m wearing an UnderArmour long sleeve heat gear and Klim Induction jacket & pants.
I’ll still wear Latitude gear up to +20c but now I’ll wear the Warm n Safe instead of multiple Smartwool layers.
At +20 ish…I’ll try switching to Induction with the Warm n Safe
https://www.warmnsafe.com/collectio...ducts/generation-waterproof-mens-heated-liner
At anything over high +25ish..I’ll stash the Warm n Safe ..
I hate riding in the heat. I find it debilitating. I’ve tried soaking neck gaiters and UnderArmour heat gear shirts..nothing works except mesh gear. I’m just extending the point at which I switch to mesh to +20c downwards from +30c.
This is all just an experiment, of course..

 

[robsryder]

About a dozen years ago my wife and I flew to Az to pick up a K75S. This was in mid-June. We had our typical summer wear for east of the Mississippi, that is mesh jacket and pants.

Riding through Arizona and Utah led us to discover that we had the wrong gear for riding is such a dry climate. We could not drink enough water to stay hydrated. My wife flew home from Denver and I rode the rest of the way back. Fortunately it rained all the way through Missouri; I would not have been any more wet if I'd jumped into a lake. It felt great!

If I ever end up out west again during the summer I will wear a solid jacket, like the Aerostich Darien. I will wet down the base shirt and control the evaporative cooling with zipper vents - the key is to stay wet.

In the east I'll stick with mesh gear in the summer with Frogg Toggs for rain (or if it is cool in the morning.) Fall, Winter, and Spring has me wearing the one-piece Stich with the heated jacket liner (and heated gloves) set to a comfortable level.

 

[mjfink420]

Given what you're looking for, this might be the ticket. This has little/no wind protection (it's like a long sleeve shirt). If you're wearing a jacket over it that breathes, I think you'll get air blowing right through this. I really like this for cold weather, but I wear it under my heavy winter jacket and I'm good down to freezing temps. If you put this under a light jacket (obviously with the heat off) I think you'd be reasonably comfortable up to around 60-70 or so.. It's not the "windbreaker" material of the other heated liners, it's more like biking pants (yoga pants, basically).

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[collingsbob]

Many thanks for the time all of you took to reply to my question.
I purchased one of these today .
https://www.warmnsafe.com/collections/h ... ated-liner.
I carefully measured myself before ordering and bought XL. if it’s too big, I have lots of time to exchange it.

 

[mjfink420]

Many thanks for the time all of you took to reply to my question.
I purchased one of these today .
https://www.warmnsafe.com/collections/h ... ated-liner.
I carefully measured myself before ordering and bought XL. if it’s too big, I have lots of time to exchange it.

If this is your first time with heated gear, you're in for a treat. It's really nice; you can be comfortable at 60 or 30 without changing anything other than the knob for heat level. I have my complaints about heated gear in general, but, compared to trying to layer/unlayer constantly, yeah, it's a lot nicer!

I've been deep into the rabbit hole with heated gear, I have a few full sets, most of which I'll probably never wear again because it either didn't work for me or was junk. But I finally hit on a setup I'm happy with, if you don't love your jacket, get something else/different, it can take a few tries.

 

[dduelin]

My third heated jacket {in 20 years] after a hand me down Unobtanium reversible then a Gerbings is a Gen 4 Warm N Safe. I like the windproof water resistant feature and thicker insulation. It is a jacket that works as a jacket w/o heat but still heats when needed. Heated jackets double for me as campsite or walk around apparel as well as riding gear and the W & S 4 is more versatile when touring.