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r1100r big drop in oil pressure

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hmdalton

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On the way to get my new Heidenaus mounted for gripping the Alaskan gravel, I stopped for traffic, the oil light came on, so I stayed put, revved the bike gently (to about 2300 - 2400rpm) before the light went out. I decided to turn around and go home (a couple of miles), so I could check the oil pressure with a gauge. I'm very thankful I did -- only about 35 psi @ 4k rpm. NOT GOOD! That's way below spec.

A little background: I've had the bike since last September. PO basically disavowed all knowledge of the bike's history, tho over-all it seemed really clean. It ran fine, but needed a fluid exchange, so I changed oil in engine, tranny and FD; flushed the brakes (nasty, coffee-looking jizum in there instead of brake fluid); rebuilt the front master cyl. Brakes are still a little less than crisp, but serviceable.

My biggest concern was what sounded like chain slap in the front of the engine, so I convinced the seller to take another 500 off his price. I replaced the left side chain tensioner and that noise went away.

I didn't know for sure what the clutch splines were like either (downshifting was a bit sluggish), so, encouraged by all the tech help on this forum, including pictures even, I split my bike in half. That was a learning adventure. I discovered that the splines looked nearly new, the clutch disk itself did indeed look new,but there was reddish grease that was pretty stiff and gummy (must have been the BMW stuff). Cleaned that all off and lubed them with Honda Moly 60. Now shifts are quick, slick, and crisp up or down. Really nice.

Thought I about had my 11r ready to head "way up north," but. . .

Alas, my bucket list adventure to the North Slope and back with lots of in-between fun in the midnight sun gets put on hold yet again. It really is a good thing this happened so close to home. At least I kept telling myself it was as I watched my cousin ride off without me. :violin . . . Okay, enough whining.

Most people I've talked to say its really rare for oilheads to do this kind of thing -- that the bottom ends are pretty bulletproof. So I think maybe the PO's "lack of knowledge" about the bike may have been precipitated by its being run low on oil at some point, which got it hot enough to start eroding the bearings, the resultant heat waves caused amnesia, and well, you know. I don't know, just a hunch.

It appears that my next step is to pull the jugs and see what the rod bearings look like. I'm thinking I can do that on the bike. My manuals (Haynes and BMW) don't really make it clear what to do when you take both heads and both jugs off at the same time. Things like keeping the timing chains out of the sump when you turn the crank to remove the big end caps, etc.

I've done a bit of searching, but haven't found much about anyone's experience with this situation. Any advice, pointers, pitfalls, previous encounters with this sort of thing?

Thanks, in advance. The collective brain power of this forum always amazes.
 
Out of curiosity, what is the spec for oil pressure? I've heard of bad oil pressure sensors causing a light, but never an actual low oil pressure condition. That's in fourteen years and over 250K miles of riding, reading, and wrenching on these bikes.
 
Out of curiosity, what is the spec for oil pressure? I've heard of bad oil pressure sensors causing a light, but never an actual low oil pressure condition. That's in fourteen years and over 250K miles of riding, reading, and wrenching on these bikes.

According to BMW Factory Technical data, operating pressure should be between 3.5 and 6.0 bar (which translates to (51 to 87psi.
 
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Why not put a used engine in your bike? Ever had the oil tested, or do you have a magnetic drain plug so you could check for metal content? Jon
 
I've heard rod knock on engines without the oil light coming on, so I'd be a bit surprised if that was the issue. Then again, I've been surprised before.

After you answer the oil viscosity question, I'd probably drain the oil. looking for any sign of an issue. I think the oil drain may be close to the oil pickup, so the screen may be visible from below with a flashlight. - just a guess, but I'd try.

The next question I have is in regards to your oil filter. What filter did you install? If it was really neglected by the PO with a bunch of sludge that is now getting loosened with the fresh oil, it is possble that your filter is clogged. This could be magnified if using an aftermarket automotive filter, particularly if it has a higher bypass pressure. Your oil pressure switch is tapped into the outlet side of the filter.

Also, your cam chain tensioners feed off the Lubrication circuit. I don't know that it is possble to cause an issue when installing one, but since it is on the same circuit, and you touched it, it is worth mentioning.

If you didn't already know, your engine has two oil circuits. One for cooling and one for lubrication. You did check pressure where the switch mounts in front of the left cylinder, right?

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Hopefully you can find the issue without having to pull the engine too far apart.
 
Why not put a used engine in your bike? Ever had the oil tested, or do you have a magnetic drain plug so you could check for metal content? Jon

Good questions, Jon. I do have a magnetic drain plug. Never had the oil tested. Drained the oil in the bike as soon as I got it (last September). Didn't seem to have any visible metal content.

I don't know if I want to go to a used engine. How do you have any assurance that it's better than what you have now? Any suggestions as to where to look for one and what kind of questions to ask?

Thanks,
Mark
 
I've heard rod knock on engines without the oil light coming on, so I'd be a bit surprised if that was the issue. Then again, I've been surprised before.

After you answer the oil viscosity question, I'd probably drain the oil. looking for any sign of an issue. I think the oil drain may be close to the oil pickup, so the screen may be visible from below with a flashlight. - just a guess, but I'd try.

The next question I have is in regards to your oil filter. What filter did you install? If it was really neglected by the PO with a bunch of sludge that is now getting loosened with the fresh oil, it is possble that your filter is clogged. This could be magnified if using an aftermarket automotive filter, particularly if it has a higher bypass pressure. Your oil pressure switch is tapped into the outlet side of the filter.

Also, your cam chain tensioners feed off the Lubrication circuit. I don't know that it is possble to cause an issue when installing one, but since it is on the same circuit, and you touched it, it is worth mentioning.

If you didn't already know, your engine has two oil circuits. One for cooling and one for lubrication. You did check pressure where the switch mounts in front of the left cylinder, right?

Oil%2520-%2520lubrication.jpg


Hopefully you can find the issue without having to pull the engine too far apart.

As said in earlier post, oil viscosity is 20W50. Filter is HiFlo HF163 which is their direct replacement for BMW part # 11 42 1 460 845. Upon removal, it didn't appear to be clogged or sludgy. I can't really see the oil pickup so I don't know if it's clogged or not.

When I installed the up-dated left cam chain tensioner, the very pronounced chain slap on the left side went away immediately.

BTW thanks for the diagram. It looks like the one in the BMW manual. So I am aware that there are two circuits, hence two impellers in the oil pump.I only checked pressure at the oil pressure switch under the left cyl. I'm not clear if you're referring to that one, or if there's another of which I'm not aware. Is there one for the cooling circuit as well? If so, I can't seem to find anything like that in front of the left cylinder.

I went ahead and pulled the cylinders, pistons and con-rods. The big end bearings look pretty galled like they've been too hot and/or run short of oil. The crank pin diameters mic out within spec and look okay. It doesn't seem like should be causing that much of a pressure drop, so it seems like your suggestion that there's another issue as well bears checking out.

Thanks again for your input. Really appreciate it.
Mark
 
Good questions, Jon. I do have a magnetic drain plug. Never had the oil tested. Drained the oil in the bike as soon as I got it (last September). Didn't seem to have any visible metal content.

I don't know if I want to go to a used engine. How do you have any assurance that it's better than what you have now? Any suggestions as to where to look for one and what kind of questions to ask?

Thanks,
Mark

Oilheads don't wear out, the riders do. Look for a wrecked bike being sold by the rider. Pass on any engines that have been or are apart. See what it will cost to fix your bike vs a different bike. Its less expensive to buy quality in a bike than to build it in. Jon
 
Like I said, I've been surprised before. since you are this far, it might be a good time to bust out the plastigage. If both bearings are looking equally damaged, maybe those combined with damaged mains could combine to bleed off enough pressure without being audible. Good luck.
 
Oilheads don't wear out, the riders do. Look for a wrecked bike being sold by the rider. Pass on any engines that have been or are apart. See what it will cost to fix your bike vs a different bike. Its less expensive to buy quality in a bike than to build it in. Jon

Jon,
Thanks for the sage advice. It raises some more questions. Especially what it's beginning to look like cost-wise if I have to tear the thing down to the mains. It's pretty clear that this bike's engine had been apart before. The more I see, the more I think it got run low on oil.

What would you say should be the limit mileage-wise to be sure you're buying sufficient quality? Do you know if there is enough compatibility to use an 1150 engine instead of the 1100? Hmmmm.

Thanks again,
Mark
 
Jon,
Thanks for the sage advice. It raises some more questions. Especially what it's beginning to look like cost-wise if I have to tear the thing down to the mains. It's pretty clear that this bike's engine had been apart before. The more I see, the more I think it got run low on oil.

What would you say should be the limit mileage-wise to be sure you're buying sufficient quality? Do you know if there is enough compatibility to use an 1150 engine instead of the 1100? Hmmmm.

Thanks again,
Mark

Agreed re being run low on oil. I'd have a chat with the PO

1150 uses different clutch parts and mates to 6 speed trans.
Not sure if you can fit your 1100 stuff to an 1150 block
Beemerboneyard boys can confirm for you, they are very helpful.
 
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