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'82 R80ST - revival progress and advice seeking (plugs, floats, brakes & front fork setup)

bmcdonou

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Hi - I am reviving an 1982 R80ST that I acquired last fall. It was barely running, caked with some old oil or tar substance, bald tires, no front brakes, and more. There is plenty to do on it, but my goal is to get it ridable and address things as they come up vs doing an entire rebuild up front. I am close to the point where I feel comfortable riding it but am stuck on a few things and looking for guidance and/or affirmation on other things.

Spark Plugs - There’s a lot of conflicting info online, so I’m seeking practical guidance. From what I understand, I DO NOT want resistor plugs (anything with an “R” in the part number), as I believe my plug caps are original and already have resistance. The Haynes manual lists W7D as the correct plug type; PO had BPR6ES installed (a resistor plug). I've purchased the EME recommended BP6ES, but they are considered equivalent to W6D, not W7D. EME recommends WR7DC+ as equivalent to the W7DC, but confusing as it’s a resistor plug. So now I’m wondering if the heat range difference 6 vs. 7 is important enough to seek a non-resister W7D alternative? The BP7ES seems to be out of stock (perhaps decommissioned).

Floats - I seem to be stuck in a dance with one of my carbs where the float height either results in overflow or no fuel at all. They are the (assume original), now yellowed floats. But I tested them and they did float. I suspected that they were not floating enough and so any adjustment was too much to dial in, so I broke down and spent the $50 for new ones today. But I am second guessing myself - perhaps they were just stuck. They move freely when the bowls are off, but curious if there are known sticking points inside the bowls. I may test pinching them closer together as perhaps they are running on the walls? I will put the new ones on when they come regardless; this is more about me getting to know the carbs and the float dynamics better.

Front brake - Bleeding produced some nasty looking brake fluid, which probably means I need to do a full rebuild. But, bleeding allowed me to get a workable front brake. However, the lever itself is squishing when I pull it, so I assume some sort of seal leak. Are these typically repairable with a good clean and new rubbers (economical) or do they usually require replacement all together (expensive)?

Front forks - I noticed on my machine it has a lower fork brace that lives above the front fender, in addition to the one that lives below the fender. Most pictures I see of original STs don't have this. Mine is an earlier 12/82 model so perhaps they changed production for later models. Any data or beliefs on if this is necessary or a preferred setup for handing? Its a bit ugly aesthetically, so why I ask. Also, I need to replace the fork boots (boots, not covers in this version). When taking off the fork tubes to install, any gotchas to watch out for on the install? I watched Brook's video on the R80ST charity rebuild, and he went through a very long process of making sure they were in parallel. My Honda of the same era is a remove and install with not much concern given to these things, so it is new to me.

Plenty more but these are the items top of my mind at the moment.
 
Just a couple thoughts:

  • Check to make sure the float needle is moving freely and doesn't have bits of old fuel line and crud in it.
  • You should be able to buy parts to rebuild the calipers from BMW, Brembo, or any number of other suppliers.
  • I would recommend bleeding the lines at the MC, in case there's air trapped up there. That can be tricky to get bled.
Pics of this bike would be great, especially of the forks. They're not common.

Also: tell us about this Honda, please. I've always had a Honda. CB? VF? GL? :D
 
BP6ES is a good number plug for the ST, if you can get them. NGK and other manufacturers have discontinued non-resister plugs. As to the heat range, each mfgr uses their own numbering system to indicate heat range—with NGK, the higher the number the colder the plug.

On the flooding, needles and seats need to be inspected as well. If you have a worn or damaged float needle it can cause periodic flooding, so check them at the same time you install the new floats. And, make sure the floats are moving freely on their pivots.

Repaired kits for the ST master cylinder are still available ($112 or so) but if the fluid was really nasty you’ll want to inspect the mc bore, as a pitted bore will destroy a new piston and seal. Options then would be having the bore sleeved, or buying a new master cylinder ($412).

Is the fork brace sort of a flat black bar about 7/8” thick, running from tube to tube? That maybe an old aftermarket TeleFix brace, or TeleFlex as we used to call them. The only OEM fork bracing on the ST was the fender mount itself.

HTH,
DeVern
 
Hi - I am reviving an 1982 R80ST that I acquired last fall. It was barely running, caked with some old oil or tar substance, bald tires, no front brakes, and more. There is plenty to do on it, but my goal is to get it ridable and address things as they come up vs doing an entire rebuild up front. I am close to the point where I feel comfortable riding it but am stuck on a few things and looking for guidance and/or affirmation on other things.

Spark Plugs - There’s a lot of conflicting info online, so I’m seeking practical guidance. From what I understand, I DO NOT want resistor plugs (anything with an “R” in the part number), as I believe my plug caps are original and already have resistance. The Haynes manual lists W7D as the correct plug type; PO had BPR6ES installed (a resistor plug). I've purchased the EME recommended BP6ES, but they are considered equivalent to W6D, not W7D. EME recommends WR7DC+ as equivalent to the W7DC, but confusing as it’s a resistor plug. So now I’m wondering if the heat range difference 6 vs. 7 is important enough to seek a non-resister W7D alternative? The BP7ES seems to be out of stock (perhaps decommissioned).

Floats - I seem to be stuck in a dance with one of my carbs where the float height either results in overflow or no fuel at all. They are the (assume original), now yellowed floats. But I tested them and they did float. I suspected that they were not floating enough and so any adjustment was too much to dial in, so I broke down and spent the $50 for new ones today. But I am second guessing myself - perhaps they were just stuck. They move freely when the bowls are off, but curious if there are known sticking points inside the bowls. I may test pinching them closer together as perhaps they are running on the walls? I will put the new ones on when they come regardless; this is more about me getting to know the carbs and the float dynamics better.

Front brake - Bleeding produced some nasty looking brake fluid, which probably means I need to do a full rebuild. But, bleeding allowed me to get a workable front brake. However, the lever itself is squishing when I pull it, so I assume some sort of seal leak. Are these typically repairable with a good clean and new rubbers (economical) or do they usually require replacement all together (expensive)?

Front forks - I noticed on my machine it has a lower fork brace that lives above the front fender, in addition to the one that lives below the fender. Most pictures I see of original STs don't have this. Mine is an earlier 12/82 model so perhaps they changed production for later models. Any data or beliefs on if this is necessary or a preferred setup for handing? Its a bit ugly aesthetically, so why I ask. Also, I need to replace the fork boots (boots, not covers in this version). When taking off the fork tubes to install, any gotchas to watch out for on the install? I watched Brook's video on the R80ST charity rebuild, and he went through a very long process of making sure they were in parallel. My Honda of the same era is a remove and install with not much concern given to these things, so it is new to me.

Plenty more but these are the items top of my mind at the moment.
I’ve been riding a R80ST since fall of ‘83 since I unpacked it from the crate and set it up at the dealer where I worked. In fact I rode it this past Saturday. It has 138,000 plus on it and I’ve done all of the service on it since it was new. If you PM me I’ll help you where I can. What’s your location?
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I’ve been riding a R80ST since fall of ‘83 since I unpacked it from the crate and set it up at the dealer where I worked. In fact I rode it this past Saturday. It has 138,000 plus on it and I’ve done all of the service on it since it was new. If you PM me I’ll help you where I can. What’s your location?
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That is a very beautiful bike! I like the GS tank (?) that has been painted to the ST color scheme. Very clean and something to aspire towards. I'll put some pics below where I am currently at with mine.

Thanks for the offer to help! I am in Chicago.
 
Thanks for the thoughts on the brakes and float. I had rebuilt the entire carbs - they were nasty on the outsides, okay on the inside - and cleaned all the bits in carb cleaner, including the needles. They were the rubber-tipped variety and seemed okay. The casings were soaked in chemdip in 20 min increments with tooth bush washing in between - Took 2-3 sessions. As said, they were caked on the outside. I can operate the floats/needle with the bowl off, moves freely and stops the fuel when I push up. I pinched the float arms in a bit in case they were rubbing on the sidewalls, and that may have helped. Last tested they filled and stopped, just with a low amount of fuel so now I have to try and get the level correct next I believe. Tonight's work.

Here are photos of the fork brace. It actually looks to be the same setup as Gary's bike pictured above as well.

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Just a couple thoughts:

  • Check to make sure the float needle is moving freely and doesn't have bits of old fuel line and crud in it.
  • You should be able to buy parts to rebuild the calipers from BMW, Brembo, or any number of other suppliers.
  • I would recommend bleeding the lines at the MC, in case there's air trapped up there. That can be tricky to get bled.
Pics of this bike would be great, especially of the forks. They're not common.

Also: tell us about this Honda, please. I've always had a Honda. CB? VF? GL? :D
Thanks. I posted some pics in the fork braces. I can include a link to all the others if interested. I have a 1973 CB500 with a 1975 CB550 engine - which I have currently sent out the top-end to have the cylinders bored and other parts machined. So spring approaching and none of my two bikes operational....:oops:
 
Ditto on inspecting the calipers. My R90S brakes were in bad shape -- the PO put in DOT 5 resulting in a complete failure. I replaced the MC piston but the caliper pistons and bores were in excellent condition. Get some red rubber grease for the rebuild. Stainless brake lines are worth the expense.
 
Thanks for the thoughts on the brakes and float. I had rebuilt the entire carbs - they were nasty on the outsides, okay on the inside - and cleaned all the bits in carb cleaner, including the needles. They were the rubber-tipped variety and seemed okay. The casings were soaked in chemdip in 20 min increments with tooth bush washing in between - Took 2-3 sessions. As said, they were caked on the outside. I can operate the floats/needle with the bowl off, moves freely and stops the fuel when I push up. I pinched the float arms in a bit in case they were rubbing on the sidewalls, and that may have helped. Last tested they filled and stopped, just with a low amount of fuel so now I have to try and get the level correct next I believe. Tonight's work.

Here are photos of the fork brace. It actually looks to be the same setup as Gary's bike pictured above as well.

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That’s a Telefix brace. It’s a non stock brace and period correct. I had one on my R100CS for a long time.

Very cool Honda. I have an ongoing 400F problem, but haven’t had one in about ten years.
 
That’s a Telefix brace. It’s a non stock brace and period correct. I had one on my R100CS for a long time.

Very cool Honda. I have an ongoing 400F problem, but haven’t had one in about ten years.
Strong opinions based on your experience if it had a noticeable performance/handling impact?
 
Strong opinions based on your experience if it had a noticeable performance/handling impact?
I dunno. I had one on my R100RS when I was riding it hard two up with gear because the forks are kinda spindly. My CS is just used like a roadster on the hills around here, so I put RaceTech stuff and a billet top plate on it and ditched the telefix brace. I ride it lightly loaded solo, so I don't think I'm putting enough twisting force into the forks that a brace is all that necessary. The RS, on the other hand, would wind up the chassis and forks when it was loaded and I was trying to ride it hard on mountain roads.

I will say that the RaceTech stuff is a revelation in compliance. Less dive on braking. Far better compliance on cratered roads, especially on sharp edged bumps.

I've had both old school "San Jose BMW" style loop braces and a telefix on both my CB750F (1982) and my R100RS. I think it was a big help on the CB with that motor swinging around in the double cradle frame trying to twist the fork legs, but maybe less so on a casually ridden solo airhead that just rides on wiggly roads around the county.

If I had to make a choice, I'd got with RaceTech cartridge emulators before I bothered with a fork brace for my CS. Depending on how you want to use your ST, the fork brace might be helpful. But either way, trust me on the RT Gold Valves. The fork on my 84 CS is better than the fork on my 98 VFR.
 
On the plug question--I find a Bosch W7 is great on a 750 and probably also the 800. A W6 should work fine as I doubt it will foul. But I have had issues using W7 on an R100/7 (they deteriorated quicker than I'd like) that was solved by going to W6. I'm taking it that the smaller motors are kinder to the plugs. On the Bosch scale, a smaller number is a colder plug.

I've found a source for non-resistor Bosch plugs in the UK at Green Spark Plug Co:


The plugs were averaging about $4-$5 each and shipping wasn't too bad. I think they are old stock that GSP bought up. The little boxes were dusty. Plan ahead as it's a couple weeks to get them in.
 
Thanks for all the responses and advice. Update for the group and future readers regarding the carb fuel float issue. TLDR: I think it was both bad fuel and bad fuel intake / lines.

While I wait for new parts to arrive, I kept tinkering to get her drivable. She would only run on choke and die immediately off choke. So I decided to eliminate one variable and replaced the yellowing fuel from the PO with 4-stroke ethanol free from hardware store. I then ran her on choke to warm up. Then I pulled the bowls to pre-fill them so I could verify that with good fuel and the right fuel level, she would run off choke. In doing this process, filling the bowls from the carbs seats by activating the floats, I noticed the fuel would only run into the carb intermittently. So something was clogging the fuel intake. I activated the bowls up and down very quickly to dislodged anything stuck in the seats, banged on the fuel line with a screw driver, and put the petcock on reserve which seemed to help. Fired up and ran well enough off choke. Let her run a bit, warmed up, reset idle and things got better - and she didn't die from fuel starvation. So I took her out on the first few miles and only at the end started backfiring a bit (assume still not right fuel level and thus running lean). But overall - success! Will swap out floats, fuel lines, clean fuel intake and jets, and install new plugs when they arrive. Then balance carbs.
 
I dunno. I had one on my R100RS when I was riding it hard two up with gear because the forks are kinda spindly. My CS is just used like a roadster on the hills around here, so I put RaceTech stuff and a billet top plate on it and ditched the telefix brace. I ride it lightly loaded solo, so I don't think I'm putting enough twisting force into the forks that a brace is all that necessary. The RS, on the other hand, would wind up the chassis and forks when it was loaded and I was trying to ride it hard on mountain roads.

I will say that the RaceTech stuff is a revelation in compliance. Less dive on braking. Far better compliance on cratered roads, especially on sharp edged bumps.

If I had to make a choice, I'd got with RaceTech cartridge emulators before I bothered with a fork brace for my CS. Depending on how you want to use your ST, the fork brace might be helpful. But either way, trust me on the RT Gold Valves. The fork on my 84 CS is better than the fork on my 98 VFR.
It depends on how you ride but I found all of the above to be radical improvements. I had the Telefix and the billet top triple crown on my R100 with Progressive springs. That worked so well that I sold the bike because I was riding it as fast as my 900SS - a much safer bike given disc brakes and radial tires twice as wide as the R100.

I put the RaceTech kit in my R90S along with a Telefix. I was pleased enough that I didn't get the billet top brace. To be sure, I did not ride the R90S (I got that in 2007) as hard as I did the R100 (which I got in '93).
 
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