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Hey Michael B. now you know what everyone thinks.
Joe,
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What about placing more rubber on the tire? ,more to wear off?
Why would a tire company make a motorcycle tire last 20,000 or 30,000 miles when the average joe will never see that many miles on their bikes?They have us all buying tires way to soon! wow a tire conspiracy! Have we uncovered something here?
Why would a tire company make a motorcycle tire last 20,000 or 30,000 miles when the average joe will never see that many miles on their bikes?They have us all buying tires way to soon! wow a tire conspiracy! Have we uncovered something here?
Put a sticky high performance tire on a car with some horsepower and/or cornering power and see how long they last. I used to burn through Michelins cornering the mammaries off an Audi at a brisk clip, under 20K miles per set. The outside edges would wear out first from all the hard cornering. That gets expensive, but I like to play in the canyons with cars and bikes.
There are tires out there for track day use that are notionally DoT legal, but are really slicks with a couple of bare 2/32 inch deep grooves cut into them to make the shysters happy. That "tread" is gone in a couple of laps and the tires last maybe a weekend. High performance has a high price. Pay it or be satisfied with the view from behind.
Well lets see,....trained engineers with specific experience in motorcycle dynamics and tire construction, versus,....a bunch of $$$$ focused unknowing everyday joes,....making decisions about handling, ride quality, safety focus and especially traction in a much wider application realm than simple car dynamics. Not to mention that mistakes made on motorcycles are highly likely to kill you or permanently disfigure you. Hmm,...doesn't make me think very hard who has the brains in this comparison.
No loss in handling or traction? C'MON,...the guys saying that probably never lean their bike much more than 15 degrees from vertical at speeds a Geo Metro could outdo on four space saver spares. Motorcycle tires are designed to actually INCREASE the size of the contact patch when leaned over from vertical to about 3/4 of the lean angle capability of the tire. A car tire, when leaned over (not rolled over as car tires do when cornering, the carcass deforms laterally to maintain the contact patch) IMMEDIATELY and CONTINUALLY DECREASES the contact patch. Anyone with common sense can see that by simply comparing the tire profiles and the way a cycle leans into a turn versus a car relying on lateral acceleration to deform the tire.
Most cycles, in the sizes we commonly ride, 750cc and above, actually produce higher contact patch loads per square inch than do tires on most cars. That is one of many reasons cycle tires wear out faster. That, and the focus of cycle tires on traction over mileage, which also accounts for higher wear rates.
I'd say most every "car tire on a motorcycle" rider never has found what a cycle is capable of in turns, and also never learned/trained himself to be able to use even 1/2 of what a cycle can do. So sure, to them, "no loss of handling or traction" is a viable statement. That's equivalent to someone from Kabul Afghanistan saying "its a great place to live" if that person has only lived in Cleveland.
Let them make their claims, but I pass them off as misguided fools riding themselves to their eventual demise.
Well lets see,....trained engineers with specific experience in motorcycle dynamics and tire construction, versus,....a bunch of $$$$ focused unknowing everyday joes,....making decisions about handling, ride quality, safety focus and especially traction in a much wider application realm than simple car dynamics. Not to mention that mistakes made on motorcycles are highly likely to kill you or permanently disfigure you. Hmm,...doesn't make me think very hard who has the brains in this comparison.
No loss in handling or traction? C'MON,...the guys saying that probably never lean their bike much more than 15 degrees from vertical at speeds a Geo Metro could outdo on four space saver spares. Motorcycle tires are designed to actually INCREASE the size of the contact patch when leaned over from vertical to about 3/4 of the lean angle capability of the tire. A car tire, when leaned over (not rolled over as car tires do when cornering, the carcass deforms laterally to maintain the contact patch) IMMEDIATELY and CONTINUALLY DECREASES the contact patch. Anyone with common sense can see that by simply comparing the tire profiles and the way a cycle leans into a turn versus a car relying on lateral acceleration to deform the tire.
Most cycles, in the sizes we commonly ride, 750cc and above, actually produce higher contact patch loads per square inch than do tires on most cars. That is one of many reasons cycle tires wear out faster. That, and the focus of cycle tires on traction over mileage, which also accounts for higher wear rates.
I'd say most every "car tire on a motorcycle" rider never has found what a cycle is capable of in turns, and also never learned/trained himself to be able to use even 1/2 of what a cycle can do. So sure, to them, "no loss of handling or traction" is a viable statement. That's equivalent to someone from Kabul Afghanistan saying "its a great place to live" if that person has only lived in Kabul.
Let them make their claims, but I pass them off as misguided fools riding themselves to their eventual demise.
If you are after longevity, train tires are the best.
Tested for millions of miles by Canadian National Railway, these are guaranteed to go the farthest, with the least amount of fuel, and never go flat.
There is a slight rust problem, but if it bothers you, oil them.
I used to road race a 91 Talon TSi AWD. I used Bridgestone RE71 tires. I would get about 8k on a set. Mind you, all four wheels got power. Most of my friends with power to one axle got just less than half that. Mileage sucked, but they were were the most sticky, treaded tires I have ever had on a car. They used to run me about $1k a set. Running them around the track used to really kill the mileage......
I do not think there is a motorcycle tire conspiracy. I would say the higher price on motorcycle tires has more to do with supply and demand. There are many times more car tires bought each year than bike tires. That makes this a more specialized type of manufacturing, which usually carries higher prices in any item type. I would also think that manufacturers keep bike tires on the sticky side for our safety. I know I have no desire to put a $30, rock hard doughnut on my bike. I never much enjoyed lack of traction on two wheels, less I be on dirt with the appropriate bike....