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I’m rather disappointed, perhaps dismayed with Boeing.
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Boeing may have lost their mojo, but it’s not management assembling defective thrusters or forgetting to bolt doors closed. Their workforce may believe Boeing is too big to fail or they may have forgotten competition is worldwide. Whatever, it’s difficult to speculate how this will play out but the company’s long term future doesn’t look so bright right now. I heard they were losing a billion a month BEFORE the strike. It’s entirely possible Boeing may go the way of American Motors or International Harvester if they don’t get their act together, and soon.
PGlaves
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Agreed! But it has been management that abandoned the full safety culture of the engineers that used to run the company in favor of the accountants that took over the company and instilled a culture of thrifty skimping on an important safety culture. Along with the demise of Sears at the hand of vulture capitalists, the decline of Boeing because of cost cutting will become a standard topic in business school classes.
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etiennelau
Active member
This is corporate america. This is NOT unique to just Boeing....it's happening across the country at other companies....
kbasa
Well-known member
Boeing was once an engineering company. When they acquired McDonnell Douglas, the MD folks wound up running the company and focusing on finances rather than solid engineering.
When they moved their HQ to Chicago, that was a strong indicator of what their orientation as a company was. It wasn't about building solid aircraft anymore. Management was elsewhere, far from where their products were designed and built.
I dunno about others, but when that happens, you might as well start the clock ticking.
When they moved their HQ to Chicago, that was a strong indicator of what their orientation as a company was. It wasn't about building solid aircraft anymore. Management was elsewhere, far from where their products were designed and built.
I dunno about others, but when that happens, you might as well start the clock ticking.
kbasa
Well-known member
It can't always be "up and to the right" and the potential for growth in any business is not unlimited.
crna59
Active member
My wife worked at Boeing for 42yr in IT. Starting in the Plotting Center and moving to IT in Computer Security. She retired a couple years ago before the 737 debacle. She got out of there just at the right time. As stated above, just after that, morale was at an all time low before their stock started crashing. She was there before MD acquisition and through all the CEO's. The stories she told me sounded like Fiction! Luckily she cashed out her pension and took the severance. I wouldn't work for Boeing at any price now
kbasa
Well-known member
A guy I've known almost 50 years was on the QC team for the 737. I think he retired like 5 years ago, before the Max. He took great pride in building great aircraft. When I last saw him, he was moaning about the MD takeover of the company and how they'd moved to, in his opinion, a financial operation instead of a company that was ruled by solid engineering and process. "The folks in charge aren't within a couple thousand miles of what they're trying to manage."
GTRider
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Yup! Another example is Hewlett Packard, started by two engineers in a garage and became a very successful company until the engineers started getting overruled by the MBAs and bean counters. Not a new phenom, tho—remember the 1980s Roger Smith era at GM, when background automotive engineering knowledge and experience were deemed less important than holding an MBA and the belief that it qualified one to manage any enterprise, anywhere?
And said memories have me wondering about the MC background and involvement amongst the current Motorrad management…
Best,
DeVern
jasonwissner
New member
Is this really a topic on this site? Why can't we talk about motorcycles? DEI is not a bad thing if it's done right, which it rarely is.
etiennelau
Active member
Sorry excuse my ignorance but not familiar with that phrase?!
PGlaves
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I think it refers to a a graph showing profits climbing ever skyward - "To infinity and beyond"
I thought that was Buzz Lightyear.I think it refers to a a graph showing profits climbing ever skyward - "To infinity and beyond"
OM
mikegalbicka
Back in the saddle again
It echoes a lot of what has been mentioned here:
“There are many potential villains here: a culture that put financial engineering before aerospace engineering, an outsourcing strategy that shifted work to lower-cost factories or suppliers, a pursuit of production goals over safety goals, and distant leadership removed from employees.”
Here is another one:
Can anyone fix Boeing?
The plane maker’s new boss has pledged culture change, but a vote to prolong a costly strike underlines the challenges he faces
www.ft.com
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etiennelau
Active member
Companies may state they welcome opposing views, welcome whistle blowers. But that's not reality. Reality is you're told to close your eyes and do what you're told or else.
kbasa
Well-known member
I work in litigation. The things I’ve seen done to whistleblowers at all levels. The woman that pointed out the boss being a lecherous creep, the accounting person that found the embezzlement scheme, the engineer that pointed out the safety flaw.
In most cases there was some kind of “see something, say something” or “open door” policy they paid lip service to, but demonstrably violated with dismissal, intimidation and termination.
PGlaves
#13338
Unfortunately, that is today's corporate America in too many cases. And as Boeing has aptly demonstrated the lack of business ethics may catch up to you sooner or later. Corporate and individual greed is a disease.