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Harley may move out of Milwaukee!!
- Thread starter oldhway
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Think again. Here we are "right to work", and 14.2% unemployment.
Low wages = no cash to buy the things you make. Enter longer term loans at higher interest rates to buy things, which helps you conceal from yourself the decline in your true income and purchasing power. But it greatly benefits those in the "financial services" sector, who will happily guide you to economic serfdom in exchange for a facade of personal prosperity.
Maybe Harley will set up in China, where a lot of their parts are already made. I understand they are not first, or even second, in domestically produced vehicle content. With continued slick advertising, and a well versed herd mentality, it will take years for the chest-pounding flag-waving clientele to realize what has happened.
Whatever Harley decides to do, even if it becomes a disaster, the decision makers there can rest assured their executive labor contracts guarantee their own financial success. One must wonder how the backdrop of no personal risk colors their decisions.
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grafikfeat
New member
deilenberger
A bozo on the bus
Moderator Note
Politics are not a topic for discussion on the MOA forum. Any further political references will result in this thread being closed.
Politics are not a topic for discussion on the MOA forum. Any further political references will result in this thread being closed.
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HODAG
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if you want to discuss chinese made motorscooters
please check out the f800 threads
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please check out the f800 threads
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1aretea
Guest
Are there any WalMarts or Habor Freight stores in China ?
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535IS
Guest
I'm tryin' to find the ones you're referring to ...
grafikfeat
New member
I'm tryin' to find the ones you're referring to ...
Careful... He has a hair trigger... And a twitchy finger.
+1. The only things that HD manufactures in Milwaukee are engines. All bikes have been made in other states for the longest time. So, I don't really understand the hype
one way or the other.I'm tryin' to find the ones you're referring to ...
You are not the only one.
My experience is, that the clique of moderators here determine what is appropriate and what is not by using their own personal standards and opinions. This here is the heaviest censored motorcycle forum that I participate in. That's why I hardly do anymore. Watch how long this post stays here.
oldhway
2 Wheeled Troubador
I believe the above highlighted is what he was referring to. Does have a bit of a political overtone and since it was reported by a member, apparently others think so as well. Semper_Fi's goal was to keep the thread going rather than have it go into areas that might shut it dowm. Seems like a reasonable Mod action to me.
Bud
It is what it is.
You are not the only one.
About a bizillion years unless the server crashed.
ultracyclist
New member
my 2 cents
I think union concessions are only part of the action.
If I am not mistaken, H-D has opened plants in India.
There was also a rumor about 4 months ago that H-D was going to buy a Chinese Bike manufacturer.
As Voltaire said; " The sign of an educated person is to come to a reasonable conclusion based on a limited amount of information".
So maybe we will have a leaner and meaner company making leaner and more efficient bikes in distant lands with smaller displacements and quieter pipes.
Voltaire also said; "History is nothing more than a pack of tricks played upon the dead."
"We'll see", said the Zen Master.
I think union concessions are only part of the action.
If I am not mistaken, H-D has opened plants in India.
There was also a rumor about 4 months ago that H-D was going to buy a Chinese Bike manufacturer.
As Voltaire said; " The sign of an educated person is to come to a reasonable conclusion based on a limited amount of information".
So maybe we will have a leaner and meaner company making leaner and more efficient bikes in distant lands with smaller displacements and quieter pipes.
Voltaire also said; "History is nothing more than a pack of tricks played upon the dead."
"We'll see", said the Zen Master.
crazydrummerdude
advrider.com
About a bizillion years unless the server crashed.
Strikin' the rebel down when he's hot on the trails of the MOA-consipracy.. ouch.
The truth is out there.
john1691
New member
A buddy of mine works at the York plant, they took a cut in pay, reduced vacation/personal days, and their insurance/deductable costs went from $1000 for a family to $3000. On the bright side, he still has a job, for now. The news I got is that HD bought the land in KY that they threatened to move York production to, and that ground has broken for construction. York is going through with their expansion, so would be able to take Milwauki's load once that is complete. It seems that the only way to keep the jobs where they are is to break/weaken the union. Not saying right or wrong, just making an observation of what HD management seems to be doing.
PGlaves
#13338
This sounds a lot like General Motors to me. Are dealership closings next?
john1691
New member
ultracyclist
New member
pglaves
H-D does not have to close dealerships.
The dealerships are closing up by themselves-3 big ones in Southeastern WI alone.
H-D does not have to close dealerships.
The dealerships are closing up by themselves-3 big ones in Southeastern WI alone.
MLS2GO
Member
Actually HD does close dealerships
-There is no franchise or other fees to open a HD shop. You have to be approved of course and HD will tell you where and how to open. Because of this they can pull a dealership at anytime. In the KC area they closed a small store in Lawrence KS that was part of the Topeka KS store. They can and will close stores if they see fit. They do not want too many stores any more than they want to build too many bikes. It is hard on margins on the dealers which leads to price cutting which leads to lower bike prices which leads to lower used bike prices which leads to HD Financial getting in trouble. One of the reasons HD stock has gone up recently is more strength at HD Financial than most thought possible in the downturn.
So yes they will close stores to keep their dealer network strong. In the KC area there are still 4 big stores and stores in Topeka (60 miles) St. Joe MO 60 miles and Columbia MO 125 miles. One dealer doesn't change much for them.
-There is no franchise or other fees to open a HD shop. You have to be approved of course and HD will tell you where and how to open. Because of this they can pull a dealership at anytime. In the KC area they closed a small store in Lawrence KS that was part of the Topeka KS store. They can and will close stores if they see fit. They do not want too many stores any more than they want to build too many bikes. It is hard on margins on the dealers which leads to price cutting which leads to lower bike prices which leads to lower used bike prices which leads to HD Financial getting in trouble. One of the reasons HD stock has gone up recently is more strength at HD Financial than most thought possible in the downturn.
So yes they will close stores to keep their dealer network strong. In the KC area there are still 4 big stores and stores in Topeka (60 miles) St. Joe MO 60 miles and Columbia MO 125 miles. One dealer doesn't change much for them.
grafikfeat
New member
There are, or were, so many since a 100 mile day is a good day for a Harley rider. Unless there's a tavern betwixt A + B.
