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Why do we paint with such a broad brush.

Paint with a broad brush and you won't have fine detail.

As a token Brit I've frequently been disappointed by the assumptions made on this site as to just what that means.

It's not just an individual's perception of what being a Brit means to them though, it's more an indoctrinated sytematic exercise in propoganda that those without the experiences brought about from first hand, assume to be correct.

Ignorance disappears with experience, so go and find out for yourself. And take a fine paint brush with you.
 
lkchris said:
Overreaction that proves the point in your case.

At their basic essence, labels are simply used to facilitate conversation.

It's whether or not they are used to be negative or positive that counts.

But even when they aren't used to be negative it must be remembered that what counts is effect and not intent. That is, your intent in your conversation is way less meaningful than the effect it has on others. It ain't easy.

This is a thread that confuses diseases with symptoms. Symptoms are not always symptomatic of an underlying disease or of the first assumed disease. Life ain't that simple.
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Very well put. Without certain labels it would be very difficult to make a clear point.

Some are often used negatively, but don't need to be. Some are often taken negatively, but shouldn't be. Some are just negative no matter how they're used, but many aren't.

Even the folks here who have derided labellers as both condescending and unthinking have used labels to make their point. Does that mean that their statement of the condescending and unthinking is self descriptive?

Anyway, just echoing the point that it's not the use of labels, but how, when, and under what circumstances that they are used that determines their good or bad nature. Words are tools, use the right ones for the right job.
 
lamble said:
Paint with a broad brush and you won't have fine detail.

As a token Brit I've frequently been disappointed by the assumptions made on this site as to just what that means.

It's not just an individual's perception of what being a Brit means to them though, it's more an indoctrinated sytematic exercise in propoganda that those without the experiences brought about from first hand, assume to be correct.

Ignorance disappears with experience, so go and find out for yourself. And take a fine paint brush with you.
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We Yanks are savages. We still think with a frontier-mentality, and we still think that violence is the answer to everything. Please forgive us; we may eventually grow out of all this in a few centuries.
 
The_Veg said:
We Yanks are savages. We still think with a frontier-mentality, and we still think that violence is the answer to everything. Please forgive us; we may eventually grow out of all this in a few centuries.
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That's not what I found to be the case. A few, yes, but by no means the majority, who seem to be just a bunch of individuals, much like folk everywhere else.

Whether they realise they are just like folk everywhere else is a different matter. I'd guess that in keeping with the concept of this thread, some would and some wouldn't.

There's no doubting certain societies, cliques, tribes, peoples, have certain traits, brought about by society's demands, social conformity, needs for structure, survival instincts etc...it doesn't make anyone wrong, just different and probably better adapted to their way of life.
 
The_Veg said:
We Yanks are savages. We still think with a frontier-mentality, and we still think that violence is the answer to everything. Please forgive us; we may eventually grow out of all this in a few centuries.
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I am not a savage and I don't think violence is the answer to everything.
:wave
 
"Painting with a broad brush" has all kinds of nuances.

One that I particularly object to is that riding a motorcycle makes me part of some "brotherhood."

No, actually when I see another bike approaching I note whether it has chromed forks and if it does I know it isn't a BMW and I have little motivation to wave. I drive a Mercedes and I don't wave at Chevies just because they're cars, too.

I've yet to see one iota of evidence that my rights as a motorcyclist need to be protected by someone like the AMA. In fact, I 've not noticed any significant rights at all specific to motorcycling. Our social systems simply expect adults to leave child-like behaviour behind, and I have no problem with that. Being drunk is ok but not when it hurts someone. Nor is anyone at MOA representing me in creating a "foundation."

Another is the guys that feel they've the world's answers to motorcycle mechanical issues and don't hesitate to tell everyone they can on motorcycle forums. Yes, receiving personal affirmation is important to lots of people, but I'm not interested in your telling me I owe it to you, much as this may surprise or distress you. It doesn't at all, I'm sure, to those that simply share with humility. (This may apply as well to behavior of MOA officers.)

Telling me I need to be like you is maybe the worst "broad brush" misbehaviour of all.
 
Rod Sheridan said:
Bob, here in Upper Canada, Ontario has now become a Have-Not Province, and we need the help of all Bluenosers.

(There I've added a couple of Canadian pigeon holes to the discussion).

Please ship all those spare Nots you have so that we can convert our former Haves.

Regards, Rod.
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dealing with former Haves can be like dealing with terrorists (I really mean that in a somewhat 'soft' manner of speaking. ) My mother, who lived on PEI in the post depression times, often spoke about how life really did not change for them. Food, shelter, clothing remained the same ..... adequate. We have survived many things here out east, even "freezin' in the dark" - as that phase of not many years ago said (sorry U.S.- that's a Canadian 'in joke'). Sometimes those that we joke about may hold the key to real-life survival. Living close to the bone at times can teach one a lot: perceived Have Not becomes Have when we change our perspective and the criteria used in our assessment. I think a lot of young ones could benefit from it.... but I digress. Anyway, in Canada we all are really doing all right me thinks. -Bob
 
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SIBUD said:
What say you?
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I'm a New Yorker that's been to the leftist coast, drinking with Joe 6 pack, and with a former redneck mentality. I'm a proud Eastern elite liberal who's conservative as a hillbilly. My Ex girlfriend is in Texas married to a man I still consider a friend. I'm not a hater...of autoworkers...but flyover country is the ocean to me as I'd never buy a GM but would support any race against a union member or Hoosier with an Asian made motor.

bikerfish1100 said:
... and anything more complex than sound-bite ideas would make their brains hurt.
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I resemble that. :whistle
 
535is said:
Yah. Yer a Cheesehead and yoo t'ink BEER is da anser ta everyt'ing, eh. :whistle
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I dislike beer. Everybody knows that........errrr almost everybody.
I am going to New Glarus to enjoy the camaraderie of fellow BMW riders, and meet some more MOA members.
 
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lkchris said:
"Painting with a broad brush" has all kinds of nuances.

One that I particularly object to is that riding a motorcycle makes me part of some "brotherhood."

No, actually when I see another bike approaching I note whether it has chromed forks and if it does I know it isn't a BMW and I have little motivation to wave. I drive a Mercedes and I don't wave at Chevies just because they're cars, too.
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As a BMW Chromehead, R1200c or CLC I am devastated, j/k. This is why I love what I choose to ride. Most BMW riders don't like it and neither do the Harley bunch. We are few and far between. I am often called the man without a group and that is how I like it.

I will wave at anyone on two wheels, especially in cold weather. Give then the kudos they deserve.
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lkchris said:
No, actually when I see another bike approaching I note whether it has chromed forks and if it does I know it isn't a BMW and I have little motivation to wave.

well, how thoroughly exclusionary and elitist of you. maybe the stereotype of beemer riders cruising with their noses in the air does indeed have basis in fact. pity.

I've yet to see one iota of evidence that my rights as a motorcyclist need to be protected by someone like the AMA. In fact, I 've not noticed any significant rights at all specific to motorcycling.

so when Denver passes a noise ordinanace that only targets loud bikes, but not loud cars or trucks, you don't see that a a m/c rights issue. (oh, sorry, i forgot. you ride a BMW, and those are quiet, so the law doesn't apply to you, so why worry?) and when a town or county decides to place certain roads, and parks off limits to all motorcycles, that is also not a m/c rights issue? (oops, my bad. you don't ride in those yowns, so those laws don't relate to you either). or maybe when a state legislature attempts to pass legislation that reads (in part, & slightly paraphrased as the original wording is not readily available to me) that "ALL motor vehicle operators will wear a seat belt restraint system at all times" that THAT is not a m/c rights issue? (oops, sorry, probably my bad again. that wasn't Texas, so it really doesn't apply to you either. nevermind).

Another is the guys that feel they've the world's answers to motorcycle mechanical issues and don't hesitate to tell everyone they can on motorcycle forums. Yes, receiving personal affirmation is important to lots of people, but I'm not interested in your telling me I owe it to you, much as this may surprise or distress you. It doesn't at all, I'm sure, to those that simply share with humility. (This may apply as well to behavior of MOA officers.)

Telling me I need to be like you is maybe the worst "broad brush" misbehaviour of all.
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whether you care to believe it or not- we DO share common interests relating to m/c rights, and the AMA is one of the few natiobal level organizations looking out for ALL of us- even you.
i'm reminded of the message about it not being "group's rights" but "human rights" (not an exact analogy, but hopefully the idea comes across clearly enough:

"When they came for the gypsies, I said nothing, because I wasn't a gypsy. When they came for the homosexuals, I said nothing, because I wasn't a homosexual. When they came for the Jews, I said nothing, because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I said nothing, because I wasn't a Catholic......then they came for me, and there was no one left to defend me."
 
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