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Why do we paint with such a broad brush.

Bud

Bud

It is what it is.
Left coast

Joe 6 Pack

Flyover country

Eastern elite

Redneck

Hillbilly

Hoosier

Union member

Hater

Liberal

Conservative

Auto worker

Texan

We make so many assumptions about folks as soon as we put a label on them. Having seen how often the person does not match up with the label, it is discouraging to see some of them bandied about on the forum.

What say you?
 
SIBUD said:
Left coast

Joe 6 Pack

Flyover country

Eastern elite

Redneck

Hillbilly

Hoosier

Union member

Hater

Liberal

Conservative

Auto worker

Texan

We make so many assumptions about folks as soon as we put a label on them. Having seen how often the person does not match up with the label, it is discouraging to see some of them bandied about on the forum.

What say you?
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Troublemaker! :laugh


Seriously, SIBUD, you're such a 'renaissance man.' I love that about you.

By human nature, we tend to categorize all behavior and communication. Hence the evolution of titles, names, slang and labels.

Lord knows, I've recklessly flicked my paint brush from time to time. But I only use 'latex-based' paint.

That way, if I colored someone incorrectly, it can be washed off with soap and water to reveal the true individual beneath.

Have a good day!
 
Well Bud,

I'm a Texan who hates to ride a motorcycle in the traffic congestion on the left coast or among the eastern elite, since I spent most of my life living in flyover country. When working on motorcycles I believe in conservative torque but liberal lubrication. I used to get a redneck every summer working on my uncle's farm, and when his Studebaker broke I became an auto worker but not a union member. And I used to really enjoy the Hillbilly Rally in Missouri because Joe always had a 6 pack.

Any questions?
 
PGlaves said:
Well Bud,

I'm a Texan who hates to ride a motorcycle in the traffic congestion on the left coast or among the eastern elite, since I spent most of my life living in flyover country. When working on motorcycles I believe in conservative torque but liberal lubrication. I used to get a redneck every summer working on my uncle's farm, and when his Studebaker broke I became an auto worker but not a union member. And I used to really enjoy the Hillbilly Rally in Missouri because Joe always had a 6 pack.

Any questions?
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:clap
 
I am at least 4 on this list!

Flyover country: I live by an Airport! Also a Pilot!


Union member: Requirement of my job as an Auto worker!


Conservative: By my own choosing!


Auto worker: 23 years and proud to work for GM even in this rough time!


DOES THIS MAKE ME A BAD PERSON?

Darryl
 
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although somewhat simplistic (ah, and there's the key!), i believe that the answer really is because half our country (and half the world, for that matter) has an IQ below 100... and anything more complex than sound-bite ideas would make their brains hurt.
 
Darryl said:
Flyover country: I live by an Airport! Also a Pilot!


Union member: Requirement of my job as an Auto worker!


Conservative: By my own choosing!


Auto worker: 23 years and proud to work for GM even in this rough time!


DOES THIS MAKE ME A BAD PERSON?

Darryl
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More like someone I'd be proud to know!
 
Well, up here in the frozen north-in the Have-Not Province of Nova Scotia- we prefer to live in fishing shacks or igloos, fight a lot, have roads full of holes, remain somewhat uneducated, live to shop in Bangor, fish but mostly like welfare and unemployment insurance, etc etc We, of course, are anything but those things and we love introducing other riders to the many things we have here :thumb Mary and I have been very fortunate to have had the opportunity to ride through all of the U.S. over the past few years and systematically confront our own misinformation and assumptions. Others will say "Oh, aren't you afraid to travel there all alone? There are so many of those _________ (whatever) down there?" (we can be so very parochial here as well) Whatever the myth, our experience has been just the opposite. Travel is such a great educator! -Bob
 
tourunigo said:
Well, up here in the frozen north-in the Have-Not Province of Nova Scotia- we prefer to live in fishing shacks or igloos, fight a lot, have roads full of holes, remain somewhat uneducated, live to shop in Bangor, fish but mostly like welfare and unemployment insurance, etc etc We, of course, are anything but those things and we love introducing other riders to the many things we have here :thumb Mary and I have been very fortunate to have had the opportunity to ride through all of the U.S. over the past few years and systematically confront our own misinformation and assumptions. Others will say "Oh, aren't you afraid to travel there all alone? There are so many of those _________ (whatever) down there?" (we can be so very parochial here as well) Whatever the myth, our experience has been just the opposite. Travel is such a great educator! -Bob
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Hey, I didn't see any of those things on our visit to Nova Scotia which included a week long stay on Cape Breton island. Just incredible weather, beautiful scenery, friendly people and great food. Not to mention live traditional music every night of the week in summer. Nova Scotia rocks.
 
Labelling people is a substitute for thinking. It does two things for the labeller: it self-identifies one to others of like views, so they can backslap each other; and it lets the labelled know they are viewed as inferior, and therefore deemed unworthy of civil. discourse.

Such labelling tends to be a sign of ignorance. When done hastily, there is a great well of unacknowledged fear behind the ignorance. Where it is popularly "successful", it self-perpetuates fear and ignorance for generations. This is often what passes for the "conventional wisdom".

However, this is as old as history. Is there a human need to demonize others?
 
Because we have no choice. It isn't lazy thinking. The terms we use in the construction of a thought and sentence need a fair amount of inclusiveness to be useful. Where we get in trouble is in seeing these terms as hard and simple definitions, forgetting all nuance. You can, for example, describe a certain colors as "blue" but within that there are myriad of subtleties.
 
jforgo said:
Labelling people is a substitute for thinking. It does two things for the labeller: it self-identifies one to others of like views, so they can backslap each other; and it lets the labelled know they are viewed as inferior, and therefore deemed unworthy of civil. discourse.
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Overreaction that proves the point in your case.

At their basic essence, labels are simply used to facilitate conversation.

It's whether or not they are used to be negative or positive that counts.

But even when they aren't used to be negative it must be remembered that what counts is effect and not intent. That is, your intent in your conversation is way less meaningful than the effect it has on others. It ain't easy.

This is a thread that confuses diseases with symptoms. Symptoms are not always symptomatic of an underlying disease or of the first assumed disease. Life ain't that simple.
 
lkchris said:
Overreaction that proves the point in your case.

At their basic essence, labels are simply used to facilitate conversation.

It's whether or not they are used to be negative or positive that counts.

But even when they aren't used to be negative it must be remembered that what counts is effect and not intent. That is, your intent in your conversation is way less meaningful than the effect it has on others. It ain't easy.

This is a thread that confuses diseases with symptoms. Symptoms are not always symptomatic of an underlying disease or of the first assumed disease. Life ain't that simple.
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Interesting observations Kent.
 
Labels like those are easier than actually thinking about a person and what their actions define them to be.
 
tourunigo said:
Well, up here in the frozen north-in the Have-Not Province of Nova Scotia -Bob
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Bob, here in Upper Canada, Ontario has now become a Have-Not Province, and we need the help of all Bluenosers.

(There I've added a couple of Canadian pigeon holes to the discussion).

Please ship all those spare Nots you have so that we can convert our former Haves.

Regards, Rod.
 
ima4nr said:
The twelve signs of Zodiac.....and there are enough people who believe in them. We even had a First Lady who did.
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Dang!

I thought you'd meant the original Twelve Tribes of Israel.

We are from the House of David.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
 
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