relay help

[jimwjarmour]

Hi guys, back from europe and again reassembling my new to me 2000 r1100rt, installed new clutch and had the frame up at the rear now back down only to find, I have ign light and neutral light and abs flashing no head light or tail or turn signals screen wont raise or fall, all worked before disassembly, found a broken or cut wire in harness brown/ blue repaired but no different,does any one know which relay is which or some common faults that could assist me thanks in advance Jimmy

 

[noobus1100]

'97 r1100rt

Hi guys, back from europe and again reassembling my new to me 2000 r1100rt, installed new clutch and had the frame up at the rear now back down only to find, I have ign light and neutral light and abs flashing no head light or tail or turn signals screen wont raise or fall, all worked before disassembly, found a broken or cut wire in harness brown/ blue repaired but no different,does any one know which relay is which or some common faults that could assist me thanks in advance Jimmy

Jimmy, I'm going through the same thing right now. I had a lot of help (from members, look at my posts). Earlier today we diagnosed broken wire (brown/blue) from motronic pin 1 to fuel pump relay pin 2. I'm just repeating what I was told....I know very little about these bikes and take no credit. I just did what I was told (most of the time). I'm curious about where your brown/blue wire was broken. I was going to concentrate on the switchback in the harness coming out of the motronic. It seems that would be a likely spot to start. I really didn't follow the harness any farther. You will be amazed at the amount of people willing to help. Again, read through all of my threads and responses. It may help. GOOGLE GS 1150 fusebox inlay
It looks to be the same as r1100rt. That's what I did. It may not be correct, but it worked. Hit me back if you have anymore questions. I will try to help.

 

[noobus1100]

jimwjarmour

Hi guys, back from europe and again reassembling my new to me 2000 r1100rt, installed new clutch and had the frame up at the rear now back down only to find, I have ign light and neutral light and abs flashing no head light or tail or turn signals screen wont raise or fall, all worked before disassembly, found a broken or cut wire in harness brown/ blue repaired but no different,does any one know which relay is which or some common faults that could assist me thanks in advance Jimmy

Jim, Just wrote a long thread to you, but sent it to myself. Look at my posts..... '97r1100rt Get back to me if you were able to read them.

 

[dieselyoda]

You missed a ground at reassembly. Best guess, at the starter or close to it.

 

[jimwjarmour]

missed ground ?

Hi guys, thanks for the replies dont think I have missed a ground is there one at the starter , I dont have the starter install yet just live and solonoid wires off ? all fuses ok brake light lights , battery low 11.5 volts on charge at present , my broken wire brown /blue was at the clump of wireing where the frame pivots could have been broken a long time

 

[kioolt]

Hook your starter solenoid wire up and everything will start working. The Load Shed Relay gets its ground through the starter solenoid.

 

[jimwjarmour]

boy you were right on

I cant thank you enough you were right on , reassembled the old starter installed perfect !! I have another starter ordered as the valeo has gone valeoed magnets and end housing cracked so thank you once again all

 

[kioolt]

I'm glad I was able to help. When you said you had not installed the starter I had to look at the wiring diagram to see how the load shed relay worked on an oilhead. It is a common problem on classic K-bikes for the load shed relay to stop working when the starter brushes wear or have a carbon buildup. On the classic K-bikes the load shed relay hooks up directly to the starter motor. I have never heard of someone having a problem with the load shed relay on an oilhead before. On the oilhead the load shed relay gets it ground the the starter solenoid. Very few if any starter solenoids will go open circuit but leaving the wire off of the solenoid will cause the problem you had.

 

[jimwjarmour]

thanks again kioolt boy was I ready to scoot back to the airhead section! thank you Jimmy

 

[dieselyoda]

Nice call Kioolt. If the detail that the starter wasn't installed when this post was first started, it probably would have saved us both the time and effort to read the schematic.

Oh well, some folks like to chase ghosts, others like to replace parts until something goes right and others like to KISS.

 

[gsaddict]

I have never heard of someone having a problem with the load shed relay on an oilhead before.

Actually, Load Shed Relay failure is a common problem on high mileage Oilheads.
The contacts stick on.
When that happens the Headlight stays on when the ignition is turned off.
A sharp tap to the relay with a screwdriver usually releases it.
Swapping with the horn relay will get you home until a new relay can be sourced.

 

[kioolt]

I don't really believe it is COMMON, I just believe that it has happened. It probably gets mentioned more than it happens which makes it seem common.

 

[gsaddict]

I don't really believe it is COMMON, I just believe that it has happened. It probably gets mentioned more than it happens which makes it seem common.

Common enough.
It has happened to my own and 1 bike I service.
Also comes up here and Adv Riders periodically.

 

[jimwjarmour]

sorry for the runaround

Hi dieselyoda, sorry to have given you and others the runaround, I didnt think the starter would be anything to do with the lights horn screen raiser etc so thats why I didnt mention it ,sorry once again, but there we go still learning something new every day cant thank you all enough, Jimmy

 

[dieselyoda]

Hi dieselyoda, sorry to have given you and others the runaround, I didnt think the starter would be anything to do with the lights horn screen raiser etc so thats why I didnt mention it ,sorry once again, but there we go still learning something new every day cant thank you all enough, Jimmy

Speaking for myself but I think my comments mirror a great many here. I want to help. I have a very short riding season. Every day that my ride sits is a day I'm not riding. I don't want my fellow riders to feel the depression, the absolute want to soak my sorrows in a beer, the "go away, I'm sad, I don't want you to feel sorry for me".

My frustration level comes from not being able to see the big picture so if you post a problem, it is most helpful to include as much information as you possibly can. Just had a new poster and he complained of no start. No crank, no what? Then it got worse. I told him to go KISS, pull the fuses, inspect them, check for continuity. He said he did, but, didn't try starting the bike????? AND, he doesn't know what continuity is but, if he admitted that, I am pretty sure he would have a ton of explanations come his way.

I have mechanics spread from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean and north to the Arctic Ocean. We are a busy bunch of boys (not being sexist but I got nothing but boys). I sign up on average, an apprentice every two months and I expect that the Journeymen assigned to them, teach the mantra, KISS.

Just recently, we put two as in 2 starters in a machine in the span of two weeks. The first one was only three months old! I had a conniption fit. My Journeyman completely missed a bad battery ground. The apprentice found it!

Starter=$1200.00 x2. Out of service 36 hours @$1000.00 hr lost revenue. Now, I watch this dude's every step. That costs me a pile of beer to think I gotta a guy I can't count on. Fortunately, my boss just tells me, "git 'er done."

I don't think anybody that replies with help expects that you will automatically understand what is trying to be explained. I don't know what you do for a living but I would expect you are a pro at what you do. If you might be a dentist, should I keep continuing with crown and bridge replacement or should I just bite the bullet and get the implants?

And, the saying Bul--hit baffles brains definitely occurs here but, good questions usually show that the Bul--hit is just that.

Best story was from today: We have a brand new $300K machine. When unloaded, it's supposed to be all wheel steer. When loaded, goes into two wheel steer, but, it doesn't do that. Under warranty. Operator complained. All good, he complained. The OE tech rep comes out and says it's doing what it's supposed to do and leaves. Problem still there. My guy, watches the OE tech rep hook up his laptop, goes for lunch and leaves. My guy, two screws, opens up the dash panel and sees that the connector for load sense fell off the sensor.

KISS, doesn't solve every problem but if you don't do it, you will never know what the real problem was.

 

[roger 04 rt]

Hi dieselyoda, sorry to have given you and others the runaround, I didnt think the starter would be anything to do with the lights horn screen raiser etc so thats why I didnt mention it ,sorry once again, but there we go still learning something new every day cant thank you all enough, Jimmy

Although it's always good to give the clearest picture you can, I think in this case you did pretty well. You posted your problem at 6:30 in the evening and by 9:30 the next morning you had a solution. You and all the posters worked well together. This is a pretty friendly group and we work all manner of problems with all levels of skills. Well done.