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New bike in 2012

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Seattle-area Rounder
I've received permission from my wife/comptroller to purchase a new motorcycle in 2012. I currently have a 2002 R1150RTP which I will be keeping. This will be an additional bike. After the honeymoon with the new bike wears off, I plan on keeping the RTP as my primary commuter. My problem is that I can't figure out what model I want.

My primary reason for adding a 2nd motorcycle is to get a bike with a 2nd seat. I have a six year old son who would love to ride with me, and as he gets older, I want to take him on more and more motorcycle road trips and camping adventures. Living in the Pacific Northwest, we are blessed with thousands of miles of forest roads. Naturally, a GS would be perfect for long-distance touring with occasional forays onto gravel and dirt forest roads to find those perfect remote campsites.

One of the things I love most about my RTP is the weather and wind protection I receive from the full fairing and the large windscreen. All that protection sure sounds like a good idea when spending long days on the bike covering long distances. Plus, the RT includes most of the luggage you need to buy separately for the GS. The only down-side to a new RT is that it doesn't have the dirt road capabilities of the GS.

I've eliminated the GT/GTL due to price and maintenance costs. I can only begin to imagine what an annual major service costs, given six spark plugs and all that complicated machinery. I've seen and sat on a GTL, and I was amazed at how small it is in person compared to how large I thought it would be based upon the prior LT and how it appeared in photos in the magazines. Given a choice between a GT/GTL and a RT, the choice is easy for me - save $6k and get an equally competent - albeit must less exotic - BMW sport tourer.

Based upon all of the above, I had just about settled on a 2012 GS (GSA if I can afford it). Then I did a Google search for "2012 BMW GS" and came across all sorts of links that say it looks as if BMW is going to introduce a water-cooled boxer engine on the 2012 GS. I realize the move from air/oil cooling to water cooling is inevitable due to fuel economy and emissions requirements - and I accept that. My concern is with getting a model from the first year of production of a brand new technology.

My concerns are ameliorated somewhat by the knowledge that BMW has introduced two brand new engines in the past 24 months, and by all accounts, both engines are remarkable pieces of machinery. The superbike engine appears to be reliable thus far. There isn't enough data available yet on the new 6 cylinder engine, but BMW knows a thing or two about making straight 6 engines. But a two cylinder boxer engine with a water jacket? I don't know if I want to be BMW's test mule.

Perhaps an ideal situation would be to find a left-over 2011 bike sitting around a dealer's showroom a year from now. I'm somewhat constrained by my list of required options. I'll want the ESA, ESC, and TPM systems. Many GSs don't come with the ESC. We'll see what BMW introduces between now and then, and what's available on the market when I'm ready to buy.

It's an exciting opportunity, but it's also somewhat scary at the same time!
 
You're going to be in an enviable position. That said, I don't think that I'd buy a first-year model, e.g., a water-cooled Boxer. I'd wait until at least the second model year. If BMW doesn't introduce the water-cooled motor for MY 2012, then you're all set. If they do, your idea of buying a 2011 model makes a lot of sense to me. It's all about your personal tolerance level for risk. I'm not sure the S1000RR, and certainly not the K1600s, have been out long enough to confidently conclude they're reliable (however you care to define that).
 
Then I did a Google search for "2012 BMW GS" and came across all sorts of links that say it looks as if BMW is going to introduce a water-cooled boxer engine on the 2012 GS.

The rumors I've read said it would be a 2013 model possibly introduced in the fall of 2012. If that is the case a 2012 might be a hard to get bike as the "I refuse to buy anything water cooled" bunch snaps up the last of the hexheads. :D
 
... but you should be able to get a deal on any left-over air cooled models in inventory once the wet model is introduced.
 
The Germans are good at metallurgy, motors, etc but worse than average on electronics, many of which are outsourced to plants not in Europe. I wouldn't be concerned at all about the motor but the electrical stuff is another story. Many of the issues know with the current boxer bikes are tied to electronics (eg the fpc) some of which have been updated but no update has fully addressed the design flaw of original bit- BMW is good at partial (cheap) fixes and very averse to run changes that require fundamental redesign of parts unless it is an obvious cost saving to them or gov't regulated safety matter.
Japanese, Koreans and Americans all do more reliable electrics than Germans and it is poor electrics/electronics that have pushed quality ratings of German stuff below that of others.
BMW also takes some assembly shortcuts though is pretty good with choice of fasteners, body panel fits, use of correct bolt threads and threadlocker, etc, etc Overall fit and finish is generally better than other brands and unike the Japanese, Americans and others, BMW gets that light weight is a good thing on all models and has generally avoided too much pork on newer models (unlike Honda, for example).

Don't know that I'd want a first year bike but when BMW makes run changes it typically takes 3 yrs into a model cycle so you could have a long wait. I'm interested in seeing what they do with the next boxer- a bit more power never hurts and a modest water cooling setup that replaces oil cooling may not add any real weight, though it will add 1 more system to service and one more type of leak path (water into oil or reverse) internally that could reduce the current high reliability of the boxer motor. It would be nice if it got hydraulic lifters to reduce valve services and certainly operates in a rev range where they're feasible.
 
Changing an air-cooled Boxer engine to water-cooled is not brand new
technology. Porsche converted their air-cooled 6 cylinder boxers over to
water-cooled about 15 years ago. I would expect BMW to do plenty of
testing before releasing a new engine to the public. If it comes with the same
three year , 36,000 mile warantee, I wouldn't be too concerned about it.
I must say that it's a good idea to have your wife's "Permission" before
spending that kind of money.
 
I would buy the one you feel right about and the extra savings put in your son's college fund. I think its OK to allow your wife in the process because it impacts you and your son. Best of luck.

And you could ask for a police paint scheme but I am not sure about the UK one.
 

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Asking permission

If one is married to a woman raised in the Bronx and has a left, right, left combination that is almost too fast to see, you ask permission if you know what is good for your physical and domestic well being.
 
Sorry man, but I don't see why you have to have your wife's permission to buy a bike.:scratch

Because we are equal partners in our marriage and in our finances. We are solidly entrenched in the middle class, and spending $25K on a motorcycle is a big deal. Thus, I involve her and seek her counsel. While she doesn't ride, she is an intelligent human being, and I value her opinion and counsel. She also manages our family finances, and I need her input regarding the financial aspects of any potential purchase deal.

Our marriage is a partnership and not a dictatorship, and I wouldn't want it any other way.
 
Because we are equal partners in our marriage and in our finances. We are solidly entrenched in the middle class, and spending $25K on a motorcycle is a big deal. Thus, I involve her and seek her counsel. While she doesn't ride, she is an intelligent human being, and I value her opinion and counsel. She also manages our family finances, and I need her input regarding the financial aspects of any potential purchase deal.

Our marriage is a partnership and not a dictatorship, and I wouldn't want it any other way.

Granted, I get the marriage partnership thing and the finance thing, but really, she has to give you permission? Besides, your kid is 6 years old. Wouldn't the money be better spent putting it away for his college if he so chooses?
 
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Granted, I get the marriage partnership thing and the finance thing, but really, she has to give you permission? Besides, your kid is 6 years old. Wouldn't the money be better spent putting it away for his college if he so chooses?

Yes - I seek the acquiescence of my wife before committing OUR JOINT HOUSEHOLD to a $25,000.00 purchase.

If you don't need to run a $25K purchase past your life partner, then you don't have a relationship - you have a dictatorship.

I was hoping to get suggestions and information about a potential future motorcycle purchase. I don't need financial planning advice - and if I did, I wouldn't seek it here.

Oh - my kid's college is already paid for thanks to the GET program and generous grandparents. Thanks for asking. Now please complete the circle by going to a financial planning website and telling them what type of motorcycle to get. :)
 
I'd be afraid to ask my wife permission to buy a new bike. What if she said no? :eek Actually I refer to them as "investments" anyway.
 
Yes - I seek the acquiescence of my wife before committing OUR JOINT HOUSEHOLD to a $25,000.00 purchase.

If you don't need to run a $25K purchase past your life partner, then you don't have a relationship - you have a dictatorship.

I was hoping to get suggestions and information about a potential future motorcycle purchase. I don't need financial planning advice - and if I did, I wouldn't seek it here.

Oh - my kid's college is already paid for thanks to the GET program and generous grandparents. Thanks for asking. Now please complete the circle by going to a financial planning website and telling them what type of motorcycle to get. :)

So, if the wife said NO! would you mope around like a little puppy?:stick
 
If you have your heart set on a GS. Go for it.

Have you considered a well equipped R1200R. Lighter then an RT.

Please do not let the others get to you about the "permission" thing. Enjoy!
 
If you don't need to run a $25K purchase past your life partner, then you don't have a relationship - you have a dictatorship.

Depends upon your income, no? I know a few folks (both men and women) who have much more than the price of a new beemer stashed away in their "toy" funds in case they see something they just had to have. I envy their financial situation.
 
Based upon all of the above, I had just about settled on a 2012 GS


First off, don't even waste your cyber print by responding to folks about how $ decisions are made in your household, it just feeds the trolls.

As for selecting a bike; Follow your heart in your selection. You already have a practical bike; buy something that makes you grin just to think about it; ya know, gives ya wood.

Just remember, there is no wrong answer.

Bike shopping...How fun is that:clap
 
The only down-side to a new RT is that it doesn't have the dirt road capabilities of the GS.
I don't agree. A 1200GSA weighs a bit less than a RT. I went to Morocco on my 850RTP and did some dirt roads, gravel roads and no-roads. The only real differences between the GS and the RT (that matter for off-road use) are:
ride height (ground clearance)
suspension travel
less plastic to damage when you fall down

The GS is, thanks to it's weight, not a real dirt bike. It's 250kgs and my RTP is 280kgs (old model).

It all depends on the nature of you offroad adventures. If it's just some gravel/dirt roads, you're ok on any bike for that matter. In Holland the (crazy) Dutchman R1Sjaak is infamous for his travel on a Yamaha R1...he's been everywhere.
But seriously: if you don't plan to do many roads with lots of potholes, then a RT will be ok I think. I thought about making the RT a bit more 'GS like' by looking fitting GS suspension. It should fit with some handywork. You can buy the rod that keeps the final drive thingy in the rear wheel (no clue what it's called in English) from turning in a GS version which alters the wheelbase slightly and raises the rideheight.
So...you could mod a RT to a GS on steroids...add the crashbars and you're done.
 
Because we are equal partners in our marriage and in our finances. We are solidly entrenched in the middle class, and spending $25K on a motorcycle is a big deal. Thus, I involve her and seek her counsel. While she doesn't ride, she is an intelligent human being, and I value her opinion and counsel. She also manages our family finances, and I need her input regarding the financial aspects of any potential purchase deal.

Our marriage is a partnership and not a dictatorship, and I wouldn't want it any other way.

Well said: You do not reach 45 years of marrige without being partners in all things. My wife does not ride and worries about me riding but, knows how much I enjoy touring and just riding. I was lucky to marry my wife back in 1966 and am still lucky today having her at my side. Enjoy your new purchase.
 
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