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I was wandering through The Lima (Ohio) News here this Sunday morning and came across the following lively debate amongst the locals about our friends to the north...The Canadians!!: 
THE LIMA NEWS FORUM - "POLITICS"
TODAY'S DISCUSSION - OUR CANADIAN FRIENDS
1. Posted by ÔÇ£limaseattleguyÔÇØ (2004-09-30) 1:19 PM
ÔÇ£Living in Seattle, and formerly in Michigan, I have several Canadian friends. Some of whom live in the U.S., and many who live in Canada. It's just remarkable to me how different our two countries are when it comes to politics. Most Canadians do not understand how so many Americans can still support Bush. They think that is mostly due to the fact that all they get up there is the news on what is happening, and not all the other fluff & ads we get down here. Anyway, of all of them that I've spoken to, they all say if Canada was a part of the U.S., 70 to 80 percent of all Canadians would be voting for Kerry.
Now, I realize this alone does not justify anything. But doesn't it make you think? If our nearest neighbor, and one if not the, closest ally of ours, differs so greatly in politcal beliefs, does that create a problem??
Along this line. All my Canadian friends living in the U.S. right now, have guaranteed they'll move back to Canada after Nov. 2nd, if Bush wins, simply because they fear the world war that Dubya seems to be bringing on us. I've also heard several American friends say that they may consider looking for employment in Canada if that were to happen.
I haven't gone that far yet, although, I have to say if the right situation arose, I wouldn't turn it down. I'm proud to be an American, but don't feel that you have to always live in the states to be an American.
Anyway, I'm just curious if anyone else has heard anything similar to this, or if they have thoughts about these things.ÔÇØ
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2. Posted by ÔÇ£dreammakerÔÇØ (2004-09-30) 3:19 PM
ÔÇ£i like our friends to the north,however if it were not for the protection weve afforded them over the years they would not have the luxury or the FREEDOM to be such pacifists..........and if they were to base their decision where to live based on who we elect as our leader than i say good riddance.ÔÇØ
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3. Posted by ÔÇ£BillmanÔÇØ (2004-09-30) 4:50 PM
ÔÇ£Dreammaker, what protection? Canada benefits from geography, having the US bordering on the south and west. However, it's not like Canada has actively sought US protection as, say, France has. Moreover, Canada has given much more in military aid than it has received. Until our action in Iraq, we could count on the support of Canada through every war and almost every military action. Even now, Canadian troops and support staff are assisting our military in Afghanistan. I think it's ungrateful of the US to be bitter towards Canada simply because they've chosen to stay largely out of Iraq.
Remember: Canada is not France. We need not lump them together simply because some Canadiens speak French.ÔÇØ
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4. Posted by ÔÇ£ellieÔÇÖ (2004-09-30) 4:56 PM
ÔÇ£I have a Canadian friend. I asked about their army and such. He said they have no army for the US does their fighting for them! I'd say that's a heck of a lot of help! They depend on us so much they don't have an army, to speak of!ÔÇØ
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5. Posted by ÔÇ£BillmanÔÇØ (2004-09-30) 5:20 PM
Elliewhat battles does Canada need to fight? Nobody is invading Canada right now. But if they did, Canada does indeed have an army to defend that nation. http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/
You have a Canadian friend? Great. I have one, too: She's in Afghanistan right now, working as a civilian employee for the Canadian military. Now maybe this isn't "a heck of a lot of help", as you say. However, it's at least as much as our other allies (save Britain) are providing in Iraq.ÔÇØ
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6. Posted by ÔÇ£limaseattleguyÔÇØ (2004-09-30) 5:58 PM
ÔÇ£I don't know how this discussion went towards whether or not Canada has a strong military, but certainly didn't mean it to. Of course they have their own military, and can defend themselves. They are also very active particpants in the UN, and offer their assistance in most relevant cases.ÔÇØ
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7. Posted by ÔÇ£fencewalkerÔÇØ (2004-09-30) 6:43 PM
ÔÇ£The discussion moved to that because someone noted that the Canadians can be pacifists because we protect them.
Many parts of Canada are just another France. Close to half the country wants to secede and begin their own country because the other half isn't french enough.
Canada does not have a military capable of defending itself. That isn't to say the military they do have isn't well trained, because they are, there just isn't enough of them. Canada would never be able to repel an attacker without our help and they know it. Heck just last year or the year before, I forget which, they were talking about possibly disbanding portions of their military because it isn't enough to protect their country, it is too expensive, and they know they can count on us.
Back to the original post, I find canadians to be an interesting bunch. They love everything American and yet love to trash us. I have been to Canada quite a few times, and to different areas each time. I am always amazed at how much of their news is dedicated to the U.S. The first few times I went to Canada, I didn't stray too far into their country, so I thought that was the reason for their news being heavily focused on the U.S.; however the last few times, I have ventured quite far into their country, and noticed the same thing.
I'll give you my take on why Canadians are more against Bush. First of all Canada is a heavily socialist country, so they don't like Bush's capitalistic nature. That is one thing I just can't understand. In Canada, there isn't nearly the variety we have here for items in stores, prices are more expensive normally, and healthcare is horrendous. I don't know why they are against something that would help them so much.
Secondly, they are getting most of their stories from the Associated Press releases which are normally slanted slightly to the left. Then they are interpreted by a socialist commentator leaning quite far to the left.
In Canada the conservative view point is looked down upon and hushed much like what is happening here in many universities. The ethnic bake sales put on by conservative groups in universities were normally shutdown and the students punished or threatened. When similar things are done by liberal groups they are touted for being brave and raising awareness.
In Canada this has been happening for so long that there just isn't much of a conservative voice anymore. It will eventually start swinging the other way though. Whenever things get too far to one extreme, they always eventually sway back the other way.ÔÇØ
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8. Posted by ÔÇ£imisskewpeeÔÇØ (2004-10-01) 02:12 AM
ÔÇ£HAS ANYONE EVER SEEN A PACK OF CANADIEN CIGARETTES?
BY THE WAY GOOD FOR YOUR FRIENDS FOR LEAVING THE COUNTRY BECAUSE OF AN ELECTION.... WHAT TYPE OF COMMIE BASTARDS DO YOU ASSOCIATE WITH?ÔÇØ
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9. Posted by ÔÇ£dreammakerÔÇØ (2004-10-01) 10:18 AM
ÔÇ£i believe from having served with them that the canadian troops that canada has are some of the most well prepared and honorable in the world...however anyone who thinks canada can defend its self is living in a fantasy land.ÔÇØ
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10. Posted by ÔÇ£limaseattleguyÔÇØ (2004-10-01) 10:34 AM
ÔÇ£They're Canadians, as I mentioned before. Living in the U.S., because at one time it was considered a better place to live by many Canadians. However, things are changing in their minds, now many are moving back to Canada.ÔÇØ
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11. Posted by ÔÇ£MC 900 Ft. SnuffyÔÇØ (2004-10-01) 10:40 AM
ÔÇ£Love Canada! I contribute to the Canadian economy at least once a month by visiting Windsor.ÔÇØ
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12. Posted by ÔÇ£Dr_eldritchÔÇØ (2004-10-01) 3:27 PM
ÔÇ£So the question then becomes;
Is Canada safe from attackers because of it's relationship to the US, or is it safe because NO ONE has any reason to attack Canada?ÔÇØ
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13. Posted by ÔÇ£BillmanÔÇØ (2004-10-01) 6:59 PM
ÔÇ£I'd say it's safe primarily because of its proximity to the US.ÔÇØ
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14. Posted by ÔÇ£dreammakerÔÇØ (2004-10-01) 08:45 PM
ÔÇ£id say your right billman...if canadas land mass were situated in iraqs place but maintained the same culture they have now they would have been overran and dead a long long time ago...ÔÇØ
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15. Posted by ÔÇ£imisskewpeeÔÇØ (2004-10-03) 03:52 AM
ÔÇ£FREEDOM OF SPEACH IN CANADA, DON'T THINK SO....ÔÇØ
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CANADIANS! Rally 'round The Maple Leaf, boys....
.... and thank God we have a Navy!
ChairPerson Sue - I wonder if "dreammaker", "imisskewpee" and "fencewalker" there in Lima are aware hordes of left-leaning, socialistic pacifists - none of whom have ever worn a military uniform - and riding BMW's will be descending on their fair town from Canada come next July?
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THE LIMA NEWS FORUM - "POLITICS"
TODAY'S DISCUSSION - OUR CANADIAN FRIENDS
1. Posted by ÔÇ£limaseattleguyÔÇØ (2004-09-30) 1:19 PM
ÔÇ£Living in Seattle, and formerly in Michigan, I have several Canadian friends. Some of whom live in the U.S., and many who live in Canada. It's just remarkable to me how different our two countries are when it comes to politics. Most Canadians do not understand how so many Americans can still support Bush. They think that is mostly due to the fact that all they get up there is the news on what is happening, and not all the other fluff & ads we get down here. Anyway, of all of them that I've spoken to, they all say if Canada was a part of the U.S., 70 to 80 percent of all Canadians would be voting for Kerry.
Now, I realize this alone does not justify anything. But doesn't it make you think? If our nearest neighbor, and one if not the, closest ally of ours, differs so greatly in politcal beliefs, does that create a problem??
Along this line. All my Canadian friends living in the U.S. right now, have guaranteed they'll move back to Canada after Nov. 2nd, if Bush wins, simply because they fear the world war that Dubya seems to be bringing on us. I've also heard several American friends say that they may consider looking for employment in Canada if that were to happen.
I haven't gone that far yet, although, I have to say if the right situation arose, I wouldn't turn it down. I'm proud to be an American, but don't feel that you have to always live in the states to be an American.
Anyway, I'm just curious if anyone else has heard anything similar to this, or if they have thoughts about these things.ÔÇØ
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2. Posted by ÔÇ£dreammakerÔÇØ (2004-09-30) 3:19 PM
ÔÇ£i like our friends to the north,however if it were not for the protection weve afforded them over the years they would not have the luxury or the FREEDOM to be such pacifists..........and if they were to base their decision where to live based on who we elect as our leader than i say good riddance.ÔÇØ
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3. Posted by ÔÇ£BillmanÔÇØ (2004-09-30) 4:50 PM
ÔÇ£Dreammaker, what protection? Canada benefits from geography, having the US bordering on the south and west. However, it's not like Canada has actively sought US protection as, say, France has. Moreover, Canada has given much more in military aid than it has received. Until our action in Iraq, we could count on the support of Canada through every war and almost every military action. Even now, Canadian troops and support staff are assisting our military in Afghanistan. I think it's ungrateful of the US to be bitter towards Canada simply because they've chosen to stay largely out of Iraq.
Remember: Canada is not France. We need not lump them together simply because some Canadiens speak French.ÔÇØ
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4. Posted by ÔÇ£ellieÔÇÖ (2004-09-30) 4:56 PM
ÔÇ£I have a Canadian friend. I asked about their army and such. He said they have no army for the US does their fighting for them! I'd say that's a heck of a lot of help! They depend on us so much they don't have an army, to speak of!ÔÇØ
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5. Posted by ÔÇ£BillmanÔÇØ (2004-09-30) 5:20 PM
Elliewhat battles does Canada need to fight? Nobody is invading Canada right now. But if they did, Canada does indeed have an army to defend that nation. http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/
You have a Canadian friend? Great. I have one, too: She's in Afghanistan right now, working as a civilian employee for the Canadian military. Now maybe this isn't "a heck of a lot of help", as you say. However, it's at least as much as our other allies (save Britain) are providing in Iraq.ÔÇØ
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6. Posted by ÔÇ£limaseattleguyÔÇØ (2004-09-30) 5:58 PM
ÔÇ£I don't know how this discussion went towards whether or not Canada has a strong military, but certainly didn't mean it to. Of course they have their own military, and can defend themselves. They are also very active particpants in the UN, and offer their assistance in most relevant cases.ÔÇØ
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7. Posted by ÔÇ£fencewalkerÔÇØ (2004-09-30) 6:43 PM
ÔÇ£The discussion moved to that because someone noted that the Canadians can be pacifists because we protect them.
Many parts of Canada are just another France. Close to half the country wants to secede and begin their own country because the other half isn't french enough.
Canada does not have a military capable of defending itself. That isn't to say the military they do have isn't well trained, because they are, there just isn't enough of them. Canada would never be able to repel an attacker without our help and they know it. Heck just last year or the year before, I forget which, they were talking about possibly disbanding portions of their military because it isn't enough to protect their country, it is too expensive, and they know they can count on us.
Back to the original post, I find canadians to be an interesting bunch. They love everything American and yet love to trash us. I have been to Canada quite a few times, and to different areas each time. I am always amazed at how much of their news is dedicated to the U.S. The first few times I went to Canada, I didn't stray too far into their country, so I thought that was the reason for their news being heavily focused on the U.S.; however the last few times, I have ventured quite far into their country, and noticed the same thing.
I'll give you my take on why Canadians are more against Bush. First of all Canada is a heavily socialist country, so they don't like Bush's capitalistic nature. That is one thing I just can't understand. In Canada, there isn't nearly the variety we have here for items in stores, prices are more expensive normally, and healthcare is horrendous. I don't know why they are against something that would help them so much.
Secondly, they are getting most of their stories from the Associated Press releases which are normally slanted slightly to the left. Then they are interpreted by a socialist commentator leaning quite far to the left.
In Canada the conservative view point is looked down upon and hushed much like what is happening here in many universities. The ethnic bake sales put on by conservative groups in universities were normally shutdown and the students punished or threatened. When similar things are done by liberal groups they are touted for being brave and raising awareness.
In Canada this has been happening for so long that there just isn't much of a conservative voice anymore. It will eventually start swinging the other way though. Whenever things get too far to one extreme, they always eventually sway back the other way.ÔÇØ
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8. Posted by ÔÇ£imisskewpeeÔÇØ (2004-10-01) 02:12 AM
ÔÇ£HAS ANYONE EVER SEEN A PACK OF CANADIEN CIGARETTES?
BY THE WAY GOOD FOR YOUR FRIENDS FOR LEAVING THE COUNTRY BECAUSE OF AN ELECTION.... WHAT TYPE OF COMMIE BASTARDS DO YOU ASSOCIATE WITH?ÔÇØ
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9. Posted by ÔÇ£dreammakerÔÇØ (2004-10-01) 10:18 AM
ÔÇ£i believe from having served with them that the canadian troops that canada has are some of the most well prepared and honorable in the world...however anyone who thinks canada can defend its self is living in a fantasy land.ÔÇØ
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10. Posted by ÔÇ£limaseattleguyÔÇØ (2004-10-01) 10:34 AM
ÔÇ£They're Canadians, as I mentioned before. Living in the U.S., because at one time it was considered a better place to live by many Canadians. However, things are changing in their minds, now many are moving back to Canada.ÔÇØ
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11. Posted by ÔÇ£MC 900 Ft. SnuffyÔÇØ (2004-10-01) 10:40 AM
ÔÇ£Love Canada! I contribute to the Canadian economy at least once a month by visiting Windsor.ÔÇØ
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12. Posted by ÔÇ£Dr_eldritchÔÇØ (2004-10-01) 3:27 PM
ÔÇ£So the question then becomes;
Is Canada safe from attackers because of it's relationship to the US, or is it safe because NO ONE has any reason to attack Canada?ÔÇØ
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13. Posted by ÔÇ£BillmanÔÇØ (2004-10-01) 6:59 PM
ÔÇ£I'd say it's safe primarily because of its proximity to the US.ÔÇØ
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14. Posted by ÔÇ£dreammakerÔÇØ (2004-10-01) 08:45 PM
ÔÇ£id say your right billman...if canadas land mass were situated in iraqs place but maintained the same culture they have now they would have been overran and dead a long long time ago...ÔÇØ
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15. Posted by ÔÇ£imisskewpeeÔÇØ (2004-10-03) 03:52 AM
ÔÇ£FREEDOM OF SPEACH IN CANADA, DON'T THINK SO....ÔÇØ
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CANADIANS! Rally 'round The Maple Leaf, boys....
.... and thank God we have a Navy! ChairPerson Sue - I wonder if "dreammaker", "imisskewpee" and "fencewalker" there in Lima are aware hordes of left-leaning, socialistic pacifists - none of whom have ever worn a military uniform - and riding BMW's will be descending on their fair town from Canada come next July?
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