Farenheit 911

[R75_7]

I guess since there's is always someone to bring up something political and start some kind of weird argument over personal opinions. And none brought this up yet. Maybe because those guys already quit this forum. I guess that'll be me, this time. Has anybody seen Farenheit 911? What were your opinions of the movie?

 

[MarkF]

I have not seen it but believe that, like most documentaries, it will be watched mostly by those who agree with it's message. Seeing a bunch a enthusiastic viewers at the theatre means nothing. The president is not really chosen by the right or left. They chose the candidates. The president is ultimately chosen by those who never decided their own political views and will remain undecided until the week of the election. Scarey, huh?

MarkF

 

[gambrinus]

It's not a documentary, it's a video editorial. Once you realize that, you can have a reasonable discussion about it.


RW

 

[USERNAME]

the hard part these days is separating fact from fiction. i have only one example, and my own information is fuzzy, but i'll throw it out for you guys. (and boxergrrlie)

i havent seen the film, but ive read enough about it. one of the claims is that saudi citizens were allowed to leave the US via airplane while the rest of the country was grounded. this is apparently reported in the film (i'll see it eventually.) then i read friday on the not-so-liberal editorial page of the WSJ that the flying thing is baloney - that the saudis were held on the ground like everyone else, and then they left when the ban was lifted.

what frustrates me is that i dont know how to find out the truth by myself. do any of you?

 

[MarkF]

what frustrates me is that i dont know how to find out the truth by myself. do any of you?

Ouji board?

MarkF

 

[docb]

FYI Re: F9/11

http://fahrenheit_fact.blogspot.com/

For discussion and information.

For my $.02, I wouldn't recommend this movie trash to anyone.

 

[USERNAME]

Re: FYI Re: F9/11

http://fahrenheit_fact.blogspot.com/

For discussion and information.

For my $.02, I wouldn't recommend this movie trash to anyone.

is it trash because you disagree with it, or can you cite specific things that make it trash? im going to have to go see it sooner than i thought i guess. people are worked up about the film too much for me to ignore it till it comes out on DVD.

im waiting to find the person who says, 'i hate bush, im voting for kerry, and that farenheit 9/11 is just awful any way you look at it.' im searching for a decoupling of political fervor and movie review, or at least a dissonant opinion.

 

[gambrinus]

Coincidence? You make the call.

 

[R75_7]

If the things in the movie were untrue, don't you think Pres. Bush would boe all over the news attacking Mr. Moore and proving himself right? All the politicians do that, they even lie to make the other person look like they are wrong. For an example I will use a Democrat to show my point. The Republicans side said that John Kerry Threw his Vietnam medals away at a freedom march in D.C. John Kerry replied that wasn't true. Those weren't medals, they were just ribbons. Talk about semantics and half truths. Pres. Bush does this all the time as well as probably every other President in history. But if Michael Moore was slanderous wouldn't they sue him for being so. I saw the movie. I fought in The Gulf War part 1. I know the land and the people of Iraq. I know Saddam was a badguy and am glad he's no longer in power. But I think I'm more afraid of our Government then theirs. It's the why's and how's that I don't like. And Bin Laden lives.

 

[1flyer]

The 911 commission has pretty much cleared the Saudi citizen flight as being done after the rest of the US was cleared for air operations. The airlines had planes and crews all over the place when the ban was lifted and it took several days for them to get organized enough to re-start service. The private and charter aircraft flights could schedule more quickly than the airlines so it is very possible that they were in the air before the airlines were, hence the belief they were allowed to fly before anyone else was. You can read the commission report or listen to the numerous rebuttals some news media have to "events" depicted in the movie.

I haven't watched it but any possible truth there might be in it has long since been overshadowed by the venom and hatred expressed by the people involved with the ÔÇ£documentaryÔÇØ. Anyone that antagonistic against someone has to be blind to anything but their own position. I think being that much against something causes you to support your position any way you can, even if it is with lies, innuendo, and half-truths. Unfortunately, conspiracy theories make good box office for people that wonÔÇÖt/canÔÇÖt think for themselves. Mark FÔÇÖs comment is correct and to the point. I donÔÇÖt necessarily agree with everything Bush is doing but some of the comments from the people that are lining up behind this film as ÔÇ£the truthÔÇØ scare me to death.

In the last couple of years IÔÇÖve never heard anyone say ÔÇ£Gee, I sure wish Al Core would have been presidentÔÇØ.

 

[R75_7]

Wow! A LOT of comments against this movie from people who have not even seen the darn thing. Now that's an educated, balanced opinion. I agree with people may blind themselves to outside sources trying to prove their own point, do you? Gee, I wish Al Gore were President! I don't know how well he would've reacted to 911. Nobody does! But, I "think" he would have beenbetter for the "people" who live here. Bush had an opportunity to really do something great for the world. But he blew it. By being side tracked by his own personal agenda. Just my opinion. Hey I think the opium poppies are blooming this time of year. What a pretty site. For those bad guys to fund their hate machine. We spend Billions with a "B" to fight the war on drugs"marajuana and coke from the south" but we don't destroy every opium field and keep those fields from producing money for the biggest grower in the world. Bin Laden Lives.

That was post 100! Finally, I didn't think I'd ever make it. I love this Forum!

 

[MarkF]

Re: Re: FYI Re: F9/11

im waiting to find the person who says, 'i hate bush, im voting for kerry, and that farenheit 9/11 is just awful any way you look at it.' im searching for a decoupling of political fervor and movie review, or at least a dissonant opinion.

Local Connecticut Radio Guy who is very liberal and very anti-Bush did just that. Said that the style Moore uses and the way he draws his conclusions makes the movie not so good.

MarkF

 

[USERNAME]

Re: Re: Re: FYI Re: F9/11

Local Connecticut Radio Guy who is very liberal and very anti-Bush did just that. Said that the style Moore uses and the way he draws his conclusions makes the movie not so good.

MarkF

cool. i often agree with the basic premise that moore starts with, but i end up wincing at the film. but he doesnt represent himself as being 'fair and balanced' so i think it's ok that his work is so over the top biased.

hey 1flyer, i wish al gore had been president. i think he's dopey, and i'll bet he wouldve made mistakes, but i'd prefer his f*ckups to bush's anytime.

 

[rich]

Re: Re: Re: Re: FYI Re: F9/11

i wish al gore had been president. i think he's dopey, and i'll bet he wouldve made mistakes, but i'd prefer his f*ckups to bush's anytime.

Not I. Nor Kerry, he is even scarier, to me anyway. But hey, I respect your opinion. Me, I'm a Bush fan, and I will be voting for him again. And I wholeheartedly agree with Gambrinus, it isn't a documentary. It's another form of entertainment, made for the theatres, how much of it do you wanna believe??

 

[R75_7]

Gambrinus did not say it was another form of entertainment. He said it as a video editorial. In reality, as mcuh of it that I can comprehend, all media is entertainment. But, I think you were implying that it was comparible to entertainment in a fake sort of way. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Ironhorsecowboy]

Gore done better!

Having not been to the movie and not going either, I will say that Moore is from all I've seen of him on TV news is nothing but an extreme left-wing liberal who can't stand President Bush. Of the few clips shown about his video editorial he definately has no respect for the president and any one who doesn't believe as he does. I personally will not contribute one dollar to see this Moron profit!

As far as Gore being better for the people and our country---well let me say as a Tennessean that we folks in Tennessee had enough of his stupidity and double talk that we voted him out of our politics to rid our state of his flip=flopping on the issues.

If Gore had carried his own state he would have won the election! then we wouldn't have had to hear about those dangling chads!

 

[jgr451]

I have asked myself what is the significance of the title?Heinlein wrote Fahrenheit 451.I am kind of attached to the gallows humour of it.That is the temperature at which paper burns.They were in the business of burning books.

What is this film about?Don't know yet,not having seen it.Saw Bowling for Columbine and how Moore tried to humiliate Charlton Heston.It seems to me that he has points to make but he seems quite a bit over the top in making them.At that point,it does become humour/comedy/entertainment.That is what I am expecting,anyway.

 

[R75_7]

I would agree that Michael Moore is over the top(extremely). I'd even say he was a rabble rowser. But not a liar. If he had lied don't you think somebody would've burned him by now. And Charleton Heston made a racist remark all on his own without any cutting or editing of the film.

 

[TheSlashFiveTourer]

Heinlein wrote 451??

.....Heinlein wrote Fahrenheit 451. That is the temperature at which paper burns.They were in the business of burning books.

[WorldNetDaily] Posted: June 3, 2004

RAY BRADBURY RIPS MICHAEL MOORE

'Fahrenheit 451' author Ray Bradbury says filmmaker Moore stole his title for Bush-bash:

Author Ray Bradbury has ripped into filmmaker Michael Moore for using the title "Fahrenheit 9/11" for his new Bush-bashing movie, an obvious takeoff on the 84-year old's science-fiction classic "FAHRENHEIT 451." "Michael Moore is a screwed a--hole, that is what I think about that case," Bradbury said according to an English translation of the story. "He stole my title and changed the numbers without ever asking me for permission."
Continued the author: "[Moore] is a horrible human being ÔÇô horrible human!"
When asked if he agrees with Moore's political positions, Bradbury replied, "That has nothing to do with it. He copied my title; that is what happened. That has nothing to do with my political opinions."
According to the Swedish daily, Bradbury said he had tried to discuss the issue with Moore several months ago, but that the director avoided him.
"I called his publisher. They promised he would call me the same afternoon, but he didn't," Bradbury is quoted as saying.

 

[oldcarkook]

Michael Moore is in the business of creating controversy.

A review of his biography clearly shows that he is not an original thinker, is not a documentary film maker, and he gets his fame (and followers) by bashing politicians and Corporate America. He rose to power on his Detroit/General Motors film which he presented as a documentary, but was nothing more than a series of clips arranged in such a way as to lead you to false conclusions, pretty much what the critics are saying about this film.

Ray Bradbury is just another victim in Michael Moore's long and well documented history of theft of other people's ideas and statements. I think that Ray Bradbury is not going to take this lying down and he may have the last laugh in this as his claims of copyright and trademark infrigement progress and Mr. Moore and his intellectual property attorneys will have some splainin' to do in court.

While I personally find Mr. Moore to be objectionable as a human being, I have no idea about the quality of his new film. I have no intention of seeing it. I only know that it is purported (by the media and all the movie critics that I've seen) to be a poorly constructed series of sound bites arranged with images that he wants to associate in such a way as to lead the viewers to false conclusions, and shots of him chasing politicians down the street who don't want to talk to him (or any other person who's chasing them with a camera and clipboard). I think that any one of us that was approached on our walk to work by bright lights, video cameras, and Michael Moore with a clipboard would likely prefer to meet with him under more scheduled and formal circumstances than on the street with a microphone and surprise attack of leading question like "Hey Kook! Have you stopped beating your wife yet?"

I wish Mr. Moore continued success in France, Iran, and Saudi Arabia with his future efforts to be controversial.