The answer to bike flash mobs

AKsuited · Jun 22, 2022

Here:

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Harry

52184 · Jun 22, 2022

That’s one solution I guess, albeit a very short-sighted one. I’m curious as to the tag “illegal”; never passed through incoming customs? Illegally imported? Stolen and I recovered property? Or just operated by individuals acting outside the law? If the latter, and the bikes were confiscated as a result, then I’d expect to see disposal by auction. And if they wanted them out of New York that semi load of bikes could have been brokered out west. Either way would be $$ in the LE accounts. So really, this looks like just another politician generating a sound bite for an upcoming election, or a police official looking to make chief.

I guess there’s just something about waste and wanton destruction that doesn’t sit right with me…

Best,
DeVern

mtraphagen · Jun 22, 2022

I saw this on the local NYC news last night, and I thought it was sickening. There are plenty of places where some people need transportation. Yes, talk about waste and wanton destruction. And for what purpose?

Omega Man · Jun 22, 2022

GTRider said:
That’s one solution I guess, albeit a very short-sighted one. I’m curious as to the tag “illegal”; never passed through incoming customs? Illegally imported? Stolen and I recovered property? Or just operated by individuals acting outside the law? If the latter, and the bikes were confiscated as a result, then I’d expect to see disposal by auction. And if they wanted them out of New York that semi load of bikes could have been brokered out west. Either way would be $$ in the LE accounts. So really, this looks like just another politician generating a sound bite for an upcoming election, or a police official looking to make chief.

I guess there’s just something about waste and wanton destruction that doesn’t sit right with me…

Best,
DeVern

My thoughts as well along with the cost involved in putting the “show” on. :banghead

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jandhumphreyme · Jun 22, 2022

That sucks, there's a metal shredder in Everett Mass that would make them into much smaller pieces, sounds way cooler too.

slowpokepete · Jun 22, 2022

What a waste.

SPP

Visian · Jun 22, 2022

This has been flying around Facebook for a while, too.

Justified, imo, but perhaps the better plan would be to teach the hooligans how to take their bikes apart (e.g. part them out), take digital pics and post them on eBay, then take the proceeds to fund community programs.

rick601 · Jun 23, 2022

Visian said:
This has been flying around Facebook for a while, too.

Justified, imo, but perhaps the better plan would be to teach the hooligans how to take their bikes apart (e.g. part them out), take digital pics and post them on eBay, then take the proceeds to fund community programs.

I'm curious how it's "justified"? It is "understandable" in the sense that frustrated officials who can't deal with the problem (perpetrators not machines) take it out on inanimate objects that, in the hands of law-abiding citizens, would have real utility (especially in our high fuel cost environment). They even have utility to the government in the sense that a sale yields cash in coffers. Instead they beclown themselves.

brownie0486 · Jun 23, 2022

What's scrap metal going for today on the open market? What's the cost to destroy them in this manner vs profit for scrap?

The most money for the least output, it's likely like this

pglaves · Jun 23, 2022

brownie0486 said:
What's scrap metal going for today on the open market? What's the cost to destroy them in this manner vs profit for scrap?

The most money for the least output, it's likely like this

That is totally unsorted scrap so is probably not worth the cost to separate the plastic, aluminum, steel, foam rubber, etc. It will probably go to a landfill. Bottom line it was/is a political stunt. I suspect it was intended to send a message. Whether it deters anybody remains to be seen. All-in-all, it was a stupid waste.

rick601 · Jun 23, 2022

PGlaves said:
That is totally unsorted scrap so is probably not worth the cost to separate the plastic, aluminum, steel, foam rubber, etc. It will probably go to a landfill. Bottom line it was/is a political stunt. I suspect it was intended to send a message. Whether it deters anybody remains to be seen. All-in-all, it was a stupid waste.

Where's the "like" button when you need one?

brownie0486 · Jun 23, 2022

PGlaves said:
That is totally unsorted scrap so is probably not worth the cost to separate the plastic, aluminum, steel, foam rubber, etc. It will probably go to a landfill. Bottom line it was/is a political stunt. I suspect it was intended to send a message. Whether it deters anybody remains to be seen. All-in-all, it was a stupid waste.

A motorcycle junk yard for parts should have purchased them from the city. There's a lot of value there in parts alone.

pglaves · Jun 23, 2022

brownie0486 said:
A motorcycle junk yard for parts should have purchased them from the city. There's a lot of value there in parts alone.

There WAS a lot of value, but bent, mashed, and crushed moto parts are not a bargain. I would think seizing the bikes would be deterrent enough. Which is why I call it a political stunt.

AKsuited · Jun 23, 2022

GTRider said:
That’s one solution I guess, albeit a very short-sighted one. I’m curious as to the tag “illegal”; never passed through incoming customs? Illegally imported? Stolen and I recovered property? Or just operated by individuals acting outside the law? If the latter, and the bikes were confiscated as a result, then I’d expect to see disposal by auction. And if they wanted them out of New York that semi load of bikes could have been brokered out west. Either way would be $$ in the LE accounts. So really, this looks like just another politician generating a sound bite for an upcoming election, or a police official looking to make chief.

I guess there’s just something about waste and wanton destruction that doesn’t sit right with me…

Best,
DeVern

From what I have seen from news reports, the bikes and ATVs were illegal for use on public roads, uninsured, not registered, not legal, period. Crushing with a D9 was a bit overkill. It does look like they drained fluids before doing so. The stunt was meant to impress the people doing their bike flash mob stunts on city streets. It was a royal PITA trying to corral those flash mob riders.

pglaves · Jun 23, 2022

AKsuited said:
From what I have seen from news reports, the bikes and ATVs were illegal for use on public roads, uninsured, not registered, not legal, period. Crushing with a D9 was a bit overkill. It does look like they drained fluids before doing so. The stunt was meant to impress the people doing their bike flash mob stunts on city streets. It was a royal PITA trying to corral those flash mob riders.

So once caught sufficient to seize the bikes were the riders charged? Were they tried? What were the meager penalties? Did the defense lawyers lie as much as usual?

brownie0486 · Jun 23, 2022

PGlaves said:
So once caught sufficient to seize the bikes were the riders charged? Were they tried? What were the meager penalties? Did the defense lawyers lie as much as usual?

It's NYC, they may or may not have been charged. They may or may not be let off with no penalties. But that's sorta irrelevant, as the bikes were seized and destroyed as a result of their being confiscated.

AKsuited · Jun 24, 2022

The dirt bikes and ATVs showed up on city street illegally. Crushing them insured they would never show up on the streets again.

brownie0486 · Jun 24, 2022

AKsuited said:
The dirt bikes and ATVs showed up on city street illegally. Crushing them insured they would never show up on the streets again.

I think that was their intent. Never to see them again on the streets under any conditions. Putting them through a smelter would be much more expensive.

We've got the flash mob bikers out here, they are called "hooligans" and like to stunt on public ways, sometimes shutting down traffic on the highways so they can stunt [ usually at night ]. Phx PD doesn't even pursue them anymore on the public ways when they are caught violating traffic laws, considered a waste of time as most "run" and they are not to pursue at high rates of speed endangering even more people in a chase. Now they just watch them do their "thing", ignoring them.

It irritates the crap out of me, they have a FB page in the valley and flaunt violating the laws. Most run no plates so if they are chased, they only need outrun the cruiser/s and they get off scott free. Chaps my butt they are allowed to do this on public ways.

AKsuited · Jun 24, 2022

Example of a biker flash mob in action. I would never have guessed that there that many dirt bikes anywhere near Manhattan. Kind of resembles a motorized riot, IMHO.

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Mirider · Jun 25, 2022

We were in DC a couple of weeks ago and at the Lincoln Memorial and had three idiots on dirt bikes and a four wheeler popping wheelies and tearing around all the tourists in front of memorial. I thought sure someone was going to get hurt. The capital police were sitting in the parking lot not able to do anything about it I’m sure for fear causing an accident with these guys and an innocent bystander. Eventually they tore off down the mall.

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