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brownie0486
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It's Minneapolis, one of those top bastion cities that wanted to defund the police. If they can't defund them, they'll just neuter them from doing their jobs.
We have different solutions for that behavior in Idaho, than motorists have available in Massachusetts. That lawless man is a "solution" waiting to be implemented. People do these things when there are no consequences. People at least reconsider their acts, when they can anticipate severe, immediate, negative consequences.
Yes, be careful out there, particularly where you are left with no lawful recourse when attacked, as this motorist apparently was. This ain't pattycakes. This is real, serious, life or death stuff.
r0ckrat
MOA #221145
Actually, I think the MA laws regarding "immenent threat" may be the same. However, not everyone is willing to take matters into their own hands. I'm guessing even in Idaho there are many that would not "implement a solution".
In Mass, you are expected to thank the perpetrators for bad behavior, buy them dinner and wash their car if they have one.
Kumbaya
OM
Obviously, my post was tongue-in-cheek. It is, however, quite true that in countries, states, and cities where the rule of law is strictly enforced, where citizens are allowed the means of self-defense, and where citizens are not prosecuted for reasonable responses (e.g. shooting the idiot dead is probably unreasonable, but he doesn't need to walk on both knees the rest of his life, either
), people seem to act with greater self-restraint. There will always be outlaws, the socio-and psychopaths in every community - that's a given. It's just sad when citizens CAN'T defend themselves for fear of prosecution from the legal system, rather than having their support. I lived in MA for a year on an assignment, back over 30 years now, when MA was still a somewhat reasonable place. Yes, even though a veteran and reservist, I had to register my personal weapon - lol, I was there 12 months, but it took 10 months to get approval. However, America's changed in negative ways all over. I feel for ya fellows (and ladies) in MA.I live less than a mile from the WA border. Western Washington state is the "good Washington" (though the entire state is a blessed, beautiful place). But when crossing the border, I sometimes feel like I'm going "down range" in Indian country, i.e. tense, alert, expecting the worst, and lightly armed. It's not comfortable. And stuff drifts across this way, too. A 78 year old man in our town was murdered by a transient as he went to check a fire in his barn that the transient had set. The transient had just been released early from jail or prison in WA hours earlier - on charges of arson.
So, yep, folks head on a swivel, eyes wide open, situational awareness turned up to "high", every day. That's in traffic, and everyplace else including your own, danged home!
brownie0486
Well-known member
1st bolded: People don't shoot to kill, they shoot to stop the imminent threat of grave bodily harm or death [ and that best be everyone's testimony/statement when asked by LE; a DA/prosecutor etc ]. Those who would state their intent was to kill that person for any reason will have a very difficult time in the court system, anywhere in the US.Obviously, my post was tongue-in-cheek. It is, however, quite true that in countries, states, and cities where the rule of law is strictly enforced, where citizens are allowed the means of self-defense, and where citizens are not prosecuted for reasonable responses (e.g. shooting the idiot dead is probably unreasonable, but he doesn't need to walk on both knees the rest of his life, either
I live less than a mile from the WA border. Western Washington state is the "good Washington" (though the entire state is a blessed, beautiful place). But when crossing the border, I sometimes feel like I'm going "down range" in Indian country, i.e. tense, alert, expecting the worst, and lightly armed. It's not comfortable. And stuff drifts across this way, too. A 78 year old man in our town was murdered by a transient as he went to check a fire in his barn that the transient had set. The transient had just been released early from jail or prison in WA hours earlier - on charges of arson.
So, yep, folks head on a swivel, eyes wide open, situational awareness turned up to "high", every day. That's in traffic, and everyplace else including your own, danged home!
2nd bolded: Nearly everywhere in the US today. One better fully understand the nuances of the 3 prongs of deadly force use which has an "imminent" element attached. It's a crap shoot on a jury anywhere today, there's plenty of anti 2a people even in jurisdictions normally associated with pro 2a populations.
3rd bolded: Hence the reason I won't travel on the motor to the 10 of the 50 states that don't honor my 2a rights. It's a choice, and at least today we still have a choice.
4th bolded: Good advice no matter what tribes lands you're traveling through
brownie0486
Well-known member
Using bear spray against a human, even in self-defense, could lead to criminal charges (e.g., assault, battery) in many states. Use of pepper spray which is designed to be used on humans has less risk attached than using bear spray on a human.
It’s tough driving around here-
www.wcvb.com
I’m not sure if this has always been going on but it is being reported daily. Another increasingly reported is the almost daily vehicle into building crashes.
Even the police are not exempt from every increasing traffic woes.
BE CAREFUL OUT THERE!
OM
2 hospitalized after school bus and truck crash in Brockton, Massachusetts
2 hospitalized after school bus and truck crash in Mass. city
The bus driver and both the driver and passenger in the truck were all taken to the hospital.
www.wcvb.com
I’m not sure if this has always been going on but it is being reported daily. Another increasingly reported is the almost daily vehicle into building crashes.
Even the police are not exempt from every increasing traffic woes.
BE CAREFUL OUT THERE!
OM
r0ckrat
MOA #221145
Sometimes Darwin wins...
"Investigators said a female driver of an Infiniti sedan was speeding southbound on Long Beach Boulevard with no headlights on. "
"Investigators said a female driver of an Infiniti sedan was speeding southbound on Long Beach Boulevard with no headlights on. "
Mass. man arrested, charged after driving 120 mph on Route 16 in NH.
I’m really familiar with route 16 in NH. It’s a wide 2-lane road but still a 2-lane road.
Jacob Driscoll, 28, of Peabody, Mass., is scheduled to appear in Ossipee District Court on July 30, New Hampshire State Police said.
A Massachusetts man was arrested Sunday afternoon after he allegedly drove more than double the posted speed limit on Route 16 in Ossipee, New Hampshire.State police say Jacob Driscoll, 28, of Peabody, Mass., was behind the wheel of a BMW that was spotted traveling 120 mph around 2:49 p.m.
Driscoll was pulled over and charged with reckless operation, police said. He was released on personal recognizance bail and is scheduled to appear in Ossipee District Court on July 30.
Mass. man arrested, charged after driving 120 mph on Route 16 in NH
A Massachusetts man was arrested Sunday afternoon after he allegedly drove more than double the posted speed limit on Route 16 in Ossipee, New Hampshire.
www.nbcboston.com
BE CAREFUL OUT THERE!
OM
rich
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I'm surprised the driver made it out of that one alive. He's a very lucky man.Enclosed propane tanks can be tricky-
BE CAREFUL OUT THERE!
OM
re: "behind the wheel"Mass. man arrested, charged after driving 120 mph on Route 16 in NH.
I’m really familiar with route 16 in NH. It’s a wide 2-lane road but still a 2-lane road.
Jacob Driscoll, 28, of Peabody, Mass., is scheduled to appear in Ossipee District Court on July 30, New Hampshire State Police said.
A Massachusetts man was arrested Sunday afternoon after he allegedly drove more than double the posted speed limit on Route 16 in Ossipee, New Hampshire.
State police say Jacob Driscoll, 28, of Peabody, Mass., was behind the wheel of a BMW that was spotted traveling 120 mph around 2:49 p.m.
Driscoll was pulled over and charged with reckless operation, police said. He was released on personal recognizance bail and is scheduled to appear in Ossipee District Court on July 30.
Mass. man arrested, charged after driving 120 mph on Route 16 in NH
A Massachusetts man was arrested Sunday afternoon after he allegedly drove more than double the posted speed limit on Route 16 in Ossipee, New Hampshire.
BE CAREFUL OUT THERE!
OM
One thing about riding a Beemer with two wheels, is that there is no doubt about it when you're running down a country road at 120 mph. Cagers can tend not to notice the difference between 60 and 80 MPH, or 90 and 120 MPH, quite as much. Not saying that the driver wasn't speeding unintentionally, but it's a whole lot easier for the "average young driver" to run 120 mph in a very smooth Beemer on a smooth road, than for a guy white knucklin' his Beemer RT at that same speed, on that same road. (Don't ask me if this comparison is based on personal experience.
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mikegalbicka
Back in the saddle again
Two tragedies locally this weekend. I ride Green Pond road a lot and have worried about this happening to me! Lots of group riders push their limits on it. Very tight and twisty with limited views in some areas.
www.wtsp.com
Deputies investigating pair of deadly crashes in Polk County over the weekend
The unrelated crashes, one involving two motorcycles and the other a homemade go-kart, happened on Saturday, the agency said.
www.wtsp.com
Man faces judge in Brighton road rage case in which car was smashed with hatchet
Boston police say a man wanted in connection with an apparent road rage incident in which he smashed a car with a hatchet turned himself in last week and is scheduled to appear in court on Thursday.
www.nbcboston.com
Sorta emphasizes some of crazy road problems nowadays.
OM
