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Can the End-Of-Days be seen on the horizon?
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lkraus
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Honda, peers to ride 20 motorcycles off into the sunset this year
June 22,2022
"TOKYO -- Honda Motor and three Japanese rivals plan to discontinue about 20 motorcycle models by the end of this year, Nikkei has learned, in response to tougher emissions standards to be implemented in Japan in the fall.
The retired motorbikes represent 10% of the roughly 190 models available from Honda, Yamaha Motor, Suzuki Motor and Kawasaki Heavy Industries.
Going forward, the companies will shift to electrics. Honda will electrify its entire lineup of vehicles by the 2040s. Yamaha will make 90% of new vehicles plug-ins by 2050.
Honda, the world's largest motorcycle company, will retire approximately 10 out of 80 models. The affected bikes include popular models like the CB400 Super Four, a midsized motorcycle which has been a bestseller since the 1990s.
Also on Honda's chopping block are models from the full-sized Gold Wing series, as well as the Benly scooter made for delivery services."
I'm not certain if this is a global end to the GW, or just the end in Japan. I've also seen some comments that the DCT versions might meet the emissions standards. The article does say that models from the series are on the chopping block, not the entire series.
Time will tell.
June 22,2022
"TOKYO -- Honda Motor and three Japanese rivals plan to discontinue about 20 motorcycle models by the end of this year, Nikkei has learned, in response to tougher emissions standards to be implemented in Japan in the fall.
The retired motorbikes represent 10% of the roughly 190 models available from Honda, Yamaha Motor, Suzuki Motor and Kawasaki Heavy Industries.
Going forward, the companies will shift to electrics. Honda will electrify its entire lineup of vehicles by the 2040s. Yamaha will make 90% of new vehicles plug-ins by 2050.
Honda, the world's largest motorcycle company, will retire approximately 10 out of 80 models. The affected bikes include popular models like the CB400 Super Four, a midsized motorcycle which has been a bestseller since the 1990s.
Also on Honda's chopping block are models from the full-sized Gold Wing series, as well as the Benly scooter made for delivery services."
I'm not certain if this is a global end to the GW, or just the end in Japan. I've also seen some comments that the DCT versions might meet the emissions standards. The article does say that models from the series are on the chopping block, not the entire series.
Time will tell.
pglaves
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Harley outsells BMW 20 to 1.
Most Honda dealers I have talked to are happy to sell 2-3 Goldwings a year. Certainly some sell much more. I have been in Harley shops and seen 3-4 baggers sold in about that many hours, but it was a good day. Years ago there were claims that Harley sells more motorcycles over 750cc than everyone else combined.
ponch1
Ponch
Maybe in the US, I think BMW may have sold more world wide last year.
pglaves
#13338
Yes - the 20 to 1 is a US sales statistic and was a few years old. Worldwide it is much closer. I wonder what it is for "big bikes" only.
Here is 2020 data showing the percentage of global sales for the top 10 brands: The source is:
https://deallab.info/en/global-market-share-analysis-of-motorcycle-industry/
No.1 Honda 22.6%
No. 2 Yamaha 10.4%
No. 3 Hero MotoCorp 5.9%
No. 4 Bajaj 5.1%
No. 5 Harley-Davidson 4.4%
No. 6 BMW 3.7%
No. 7 TVS Motor 3.1%
No. 8 Suzuki 2.6%
No. 9 Kawasaki Heavy Industries 2.3%
No. 10 Piaggio 2.1%
ponch1
Ponch
In 2021 HD sold 194.252 versus BMW's 194,261 world wide
pglaves
#13338
I am amazed. Now I wonder what the US sales are now.
teddunlap
New member
Big push away from POVs
You might note that those at the top of the heap (more than one private jet of their own) are working globally to move everyone else into government-run transportation systems. Electric vehicles, dependent on electrical grid monopolies, are simply a variation in that theme. Gasoline burners offer too much freedom of movement. Rising gasoline prices and reduced availability favor motorcyclists. Get yours while the getting is good.
You might note that those at the top of the heap (more than one private jet of their own) are working globally to move everyone else into government-run transportation systems. Electric vehicles, dependent on electrical grid monopolies, are simply a variation in that theme. Gasoline burners offer too much freedom of movement. Rising gasoline prices and reduced availability favor motorcyclists. Get yours while the getting is good.
pglaves
#13338
I wonder how road service works when a driver is out of battery? I know how it works when a driver is out of gas️
OM
I am sure that is an evolving issue. Good question.
That would be the Palladium Membership offering, a monetary step up from Platinum Membership. You wait a day or two in a fleabag motel, then a teenage stoner in a white van shows up with a replacement battery for you.I wonder how road service works when a driver is out of battery? I know how it works when a driver is out of gas
OM
stevenrankin
Active member
I am surprised
The dead battery problem is one of the biggest reasons why I am not thrilled to maybe have to switch to an electric vehicle.
If the companies making said vehicles were on the same page and working toward the same goal, a universal battery might be the solution. One or two battery packs easily switched out and in at a service station with extra packs on charge would be a lot faster than waiting for a full charge.
Oh I know, the drawbacks, it will never happen. BMW would never build a battery pack to fit a Toyota and so on and so forth. Towns, villages, and cities probably would not issue permits to build such service stations citing storage of batteries as a problem or some nonsense.
It is going to be VERY interesting to see how the fine electrical production and distribution grids work when more and more demand is made on them. I have a gas generator now because of the lack of reliability. There is nothing worse than having no power or heat in the middle of a Rochester NY winter. I pray I will be lucky and gone before the big problems hit, or I pray someone wakes up and starts solving the problems before they happen. LOL, I don't expect any of my elected officials to do the right thing except what is good for them or their family and friends. St.
The dead battery problem is one of the biggest reasons why I am not thrilled to maybe have to switch to an electric vehicle.
If the companies making said vehicles were on the same page and working toward the same goal, a universal battery might be the solution. One or two battery packs easily switched out and in at a service station with extra packs on charge would be a lot faster than waiting for a full charge.
Oh I know, the drawbacks, it will never happen. BMW would never build a battery pack to fit a Toyota and so on and so forth. Towns, villages, and cities probably would not issue permits to build such service stations citing storage of batteries as a problem or some nonsense.
It is going to be VERY interesting to see how the fine electrical production and distribution grids work when more and more demand is made on them. I have a gas generator now because of the lack of reliability. There is nothing worse than having no power or heat in the middle of a Rochester NY winter. I pray I will be lucky and gone before the big problems hit, or I pray someone wakes up and starts solving the problems before they happen. LOL, I don't expect any of my elected officials to do the right thing except what is good for them or their family and friends. St.
If anyone has a hydrogen car, we have a fillin’ station for that. Never seen a hydrogen powered car but understand it’s explosive 
possibilities.
At our “flat-land” mall, there is 6-bay Tesla hook up. I have seen a few use it.
I’m not really into unproven, trendy systems that over complicate things. I’ve been wrestling with a VFD on a chiller today that lost its programming on speed when power had to be cut due to a 13.8KVA line down drilling a hole in the asphalt.
An on/off switch is a lot less troublesome.
OM
possibilities. At our “flat-land” mall, there is 6-bay Tesla hook up. I have seen a few use it.
I’m not really into unproven, trendy systems that over complicate things. I’ve been wrestling with a VFD on a chiller today that lost its programming on speed when power had to be cut due to a 13.8KVA line down drilling a hole in the asphalt.
An on/off switch is a lot less troublesome.
OM
I'd be happy if there was a standard plug for all vehicles, analogous to the hole in the fuel tank for the pump - one size fits all.
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