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Not sure why anyone would mess with lithiums...
Yeah, it's alway better to wait 5-10 years till they get the bugs out.
And yes, any chance I get to remove weight from a motorcycle sounds good to me, my 12RT is a heavy
bike in my opinion.
Yep, what he said. Ever look what goes in those bags attached to the bike??? After going to a whole bunch of rallies, methinks a whole bunch of riders could shave weight off their touring package by not taking so many trips to the salad barCan you explain this statement a bit? Compared to what is your R12RT heavy? It is a fully loaded sport tourer.
Depending on vintage and configuration:
R12RT -- 600 lbs
Kawi conny 14--670 lbs
ST1300--660 lbs
Yam FJR --650 pounds
K16GT---700+ (guessing)
K13GT --625+??
What sport tourer is out there that weighs less than an R12RT with similar capabilities?
Sure, my CBR600RR for track is around 400 pounds but worthless on the street.
For 200 pounds, you get a very flickable and capable sport tourer in the R12Rt package.
Can you explain this statement a bit? Compared to what is your R12RT heavy? It is a fully loaded sport tourer.
Depending on vintage and configuration:
R12RT -- 600 lbs
Kawi conny 14--670 lbs
ST1300--660 lbs
Yam FJR --650 pounds
K16GT---700+ (guessing)
K13GT --625+??
What sport tourer is out there that weighs less than an R12RT with similar capabilities?
Sure, my CBR600RR for track is around 400 pounds but worthless on the street.
For 200 pounds, you get a very flickable and capable sport tourer in the R12Rt package.
Now you know why I prefer not to be a beta tester- but hey I own BMWs anyway...
Not sure why anyone would mess with lithiums unless they really need to save weight for racing (and maybe if the bike has a backup kick starter)- when a very reliable AGM is available for a lot less. I'l believe they're ready for prime time after I see an OEM pick them for a road bike with similar starting requirements to the BMW boxer- which is no where near as easy to crank as any other bike motor in the garage. If a Japanese maker has issues with them, just imagine how fine all those Chinese versions must be.
Looks like HD owners got to beta test hydraulic clutches recently--something BMWs have had since the 1990s with no recalls or do not ride warnings. The referenced article, OTOH is overwrought at best. BMW sales remain on record pace. Buyers all fools it appears.
Funny you should mention beta testing. On another forum someone started a post on BMW quality issues:
http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82369
Or hear and see some of this for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxbO7QV067s
Chris is a riot, but he's right on. The sting in any rebuke is the truth.
His minor rant on the later wiring systems to me appears to be a reflection of his inability to understand them, and to use the features of them to simplify accessory wiring. Adding a simple accessory fuse-block like "FuzeBlock" - where it offers both switched and unswitched circuits takes all the wind out of that rant. The ever growing complexity of the wiring harnesses on BMWs that didn't use CanBus communications resulted in increasing failures of the wiring harness and ever growing problems with troubleshooting. The CanBus system FIXED that problem, and IMHO - made the systems more reliable, less trouble-prone and easier to troubleshoot if you invested in a GS-911. There have been problems with wonky switch-gear on the latest (Japanese design) controls - but that appears to be strictly a QC problem and not an engineering/design flaw.
He may be a riot - but that doesn't make him omniscient.
So we have gone from the battery stinks to BMW bikes stink. I don't know if I should laugh or wonder why you still have a BMW?
His minor rant on the later wiring systems to me appears to be a reflection of his inability to understand them, and to use the features of them to simplify accessory wiring. Adding a simple accessory fuse-block like "FuzeBlock" - where it offers both switched and unswitched circuits takes all the wind out of that rant. The ever growing complexity of the wiring harnesses on BMWs that didn't use CanBus communications resulted in increasing failures of the wiring harness and ever growing problems with troubleshooting. The CanBus system FIXED that problem, and IMHO - made the systems more reliable, less trouble-prone and easier to troubleshoot if you invested in a GS-911. There have been problems with wonky switch-gear on the latest (Japanese design) controls - but that appears to be strictly a QC problem and not an engineering/design flaw.
He may be a riot - but that doesn't make him omniscient.
Ponch, my post was not aimed at you. I just find the whole thing odd. Hundreds are happy with the Shorai and thousands are happy with their BMW's.
If I didn't like my GS, I'd sell it and leave. I guess human nature doesn't alway allow a clean ending.