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Fragile kickstand?
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exgman
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He might have a lot of fun in airports.
Paul - I can tell you that with a titanium hip joint, it only slows me down a little in airports. I just tell the TSA what I've got, go into the big scanner, and I'm on my way. It's no big deal.
pglaves
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Ah, but that was the old TSA.
exgman
Active member
Perhaps, but they're all smiling now, especially if you're "TSA-Pre."
Seriously, if you fly often internationally, or even occasionally in the US, it's a great thing to get "Global Entry" (See: https://www.cbp.gov/travel/trusted-traveler-programs/global-entry). For your $100 you'll get Global Entry (useful for international flights), and TSA-Pre. Also part of the deal is NEXUS for returning to the US on land.
TSA has become more friendly...really!
I'm the same height as you but beat your weight by 100 lbs - a little tall and I'd be square.
After I left the BMW dealer, I visits the local triumph dealer. The sales manager there was a giant - well over 6' and bear-shaped. He said he always mounted via the foot pegs, listened to my story and then proceeded to be very helpful. The T120 fit me very well even tho it's no where as well equipped as the rt.
Searched the interwebs and downloaded and skimmed the rt manual. Mr. Google found plenty of references to older models with sidestand killswitch issues, but i didn't see anything regarding the stand itself or the attaching tab failing. I didn't see anything in the manual advising to not mounting via peg.
exgman
Active member
Jeff - Page 97 of the 2015 RT rider's manual says: "The side stand is designed to support only the weight of the motorcycle. Do not lean or sit on the motorcycle with the side stand extended."
That said, I mount the bike using the left peg all the time when touring. Chancing fate, I guess...
beemerdood
New member
My manual, for the 2011 RT, says that same thing. I choose not to "chance fate," having had a friend who wound up on the ground from the practice of standing on the left foot peg to mount. He's lucky he rolled clear before the bike fell on him.
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What bike and what broke or gave way?
I don't tempt fate , instead get on each model in the method my body allows at that particular moment or the bikes ability to let me get on provides.
Watching me get on the KTM this morning had me doing a hop, grab my pants cuff, lift and throw it towards the other side. The next attempt later was stepping on the pegs as it just is easier.
On GSA with a rear duffle,there is no way I can just slide a leg over it and have climbed on the horse on the stand for many years and miles. When I had my RT, I was almost 10 years younger and wasn't as big an issue
beemerdood
New member
See my Post #9. https://forums.bmwmoa.org/showthread.php?88386-Fragile-kickstand&p=1080382&viewfull=1#post1080382
The nickel version – He was a motor officer. It was on his RTP. I don't know the year or what "gave way."
beemerdood
New member
I'll disagree with the assessment that a lighter rider is "not even close." At least two manuals for the RT say this,
They don't say, "If you're a real skinny guy, it's OK."
Lots of people are doing it and getting away with it. A small number will have the failure. A smaller number may even be injured. As the saying goes, 'You have been warned.' I doubt that this conversation will change anyone's mind or what they do.
pglaves
#13338
My newest camping stove contains the warning, "Caution - May be Hot" Lawyers. Sheesh!
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Ed Kilner #176066
Another way to mount bike
In my tank bag, there is a loop of parachute cord. I step into it (right foot) and hoist my right leg up until the heel clears the seat and guide the boot across the seat to the other side. Have to do this when the bike is loaded with camping gear, or if the top box is mounted, or ... pretty much all the time!
Make the loop the length you need and find best for you.
In my tank bag, there is a loop of parachute cord. I step into it (right foot) and hoist my right leg up until the heel clears the seat and guide the boot across the seat to the other side. Have to do this when the bike is loaded with camping gear, or if the top box is mounted, or ... pretty much all the time!
Make the loop the length you need and find best for you.
I just found the same thing on a different page of the 2016 manual I downloaded - it's in the "dismounting" section, but it says to not do it because of risk of damage to parts if the vehicle topples and not due to sidestand failure. It also says to not sit or lean on the vehicle when it's on the centerstand.
Hopefully I'm not just being hardheaded, but I can't help but wonder in his tumble was due to the stand digging into soft ground instead of it breaking.
That is a whole other thread
The amount of folks who ride off theIr centerstands is high amongst a lot of riders here... for some it has worked for them, some have had pivot bushings and bolts give up back in the day of earlier Hexheads
Still watch it happen a lot on group rides.YRMVI have to believe the parts are under rated in published capacity, like ladders, personnel lifts and everything else one could overload and/or topple to help with potential liability claims. But that's my thoughts...
None of the BMWs I've ridden has a side stand foot suitable for anything except concrete. They must lack dirt in Germany. Always need to add a foot.
A fast way to break bolts on centerstands is to walk the bike around on the centerstand- puts tremendous shear on marginally sized bolts on an RT.
I've rarely mounted used the peg with bike on sidestand with no breakage BUT I only do it on the hardest and level surface (and I weigh about 190 in gear). BUT am gettig old enough I might need to doi t more regularly.
A fast way to break bolts on centerstands is to walk the bike around on the centerstand- puts tremendous shear on marginally sized bolts on an RT.
I've rarely mounted used the peg with bike on sidestand with no breakage BUT I only do it on the hardest and level surface (and I weigh about 190 in gear). BUT am gettig old enough I might need to doi t more regularly.
beemerdood
New member
Which manual was that jeffshoaf? Can you give us a link please? I just looked at the 2016 RT manual (downloaded from here, https://ownersmanuals2.com/bmw/r-1200-rt-2016-owner-s-manual-65448 and it says nothing about "dismounting." It does say this, on page 5-104,
Standing on the foot peg to mount would certainly come under the heading of "Additional weight placing strain on the side stand."
This quotation is under the heading of "ATTENTION" A special notice denoting
