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    Quote Originally Posted by ponch1 View Post
    I think they'll sell a lot of them and it's a value proposition IMO, if you can believe it. I think BMWs are more refined, but are they 5K+ more refined? You be the judge as it were. I like the fact that maintenance is simplified and engine has stonk, but it didn't work for me ergonomically and the wind management left something to be desired. Lastly, the luggage is small. I would be looking for something to replace my RT and that isn't it. If I was shorter, younger and rode dirt, it would be at the top of my list, but that's just me. I think it will do well.
    You do realize they offer 3 different luggage sets?

    I need to ride one as at 6'3" tall I ride a standard GS with standard suspension and Low version of Sargent seat and with my 34" inseam I am totally comfortable as I am on my RT with stock seat and pegs. Also in stock form the GS and GSA wind management sucks. But with the right aftermarket parts it is very good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsinnc View Post
    You do realize they offer 3 different luggage sets?

    I need to ride one as at 6'3" tall I ride a standard GS with standard suspension and Low version of Sargent seat and with my 34" inseam I am totally comfortable as I am on my RT with stock seat and pegs. Also in stock form the GS and GSA wind management sucks. But with the right aftermarket parts it is very good.
    I saw some of luggage and they looked small. Nothing like the RT. Two, I am 6'5 and 34" inseam and I had to put peg lowering kit on my 2009 RT to make it right, add a Calsci XL windscreen and bar risers. My legs were tight on the PA and my upper body was getting too much wind. The PA I rode had the seat in the high position. I am sure in time there would be 3rd party solutions, but the bottom line is that I wasn't taken with the bike. I don't hate it, I think it will sell well, but it didn't do anything for me emotionally and having to mod a bike a lot to make it work has lost it's allure. The truth is, I don't ride dirt and never will. If HD comes out with a ST, I'll check it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ponch1 View Post
    I saw some of luggage and they looked small. Nothing like the RT. Two, I am 6'5 and 34" inseam and I had to put peg lowering kit on my 2009 RT to make it right, add a Calsci XL windscreen and bar risers. My legs were tight on the PA and my upper body was getting too much wind. The PA I rode had the seat in the high position. I am sure in time there would be 3rd party solutions, but the bottom line is that I wasn't taken with the bike. I don't hate it, I think it will sell well, but it didn't do anything for me emotionally and having to mod a bike a lot to make it work has lost it's allure. The truth is, I don't ride dirt and never will. If HD comes out with a ST, I'll check it out.
    Once again motorcycle fit is very personal. The 2009RT (much like my 2006 RT) was a "tall guy" bike and while some added peg lowering kits many were comfortable as was I on my '06. Then when I went to the 2016 that appeared to have less leg room I continued to be comfortable out of the box. But not every likes the riding positions of bikes and want their legs straighter.

    You are correct the Pan American is not an ST or RT both of which are great bikes and handle well .... just not as well as the GS or GSA. I have both and do not ride off road but use the GS for shorter trips of say 3-7 days and on curvy backroads. If I am taking a 3-4 week trip across the US I take the RT.

    Funny but a lot of guys over not the BMW Sport Touring site have moved to GS's or GSA's for the better handling.

    The Pan American Adventure luggage which compares to the GSA luggage is .......

    Luggage volume capacity: Right case 2,257 cubic inches (37 liters), left case 2,746 cubic inches (45 liters)

    I have not checked but I suspect that is more than the RT or ST. And I suspect the Adventure luggage is the set up most buyers will choose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsinnc View Post
    Once again motorcycle fit is very personal. The 2009RT (much like my 2006 RT) was a "tall guy" bike and while some added peg lowering kits many were comfortable as was I on my '06. Then when I went to the 2016 that appeared to have less leg room I continued to be comfortable out of the box. But not every likes the riding positions of bikes and want their legs straighter.

    You are correct the Pan American is not an ST or RT both of which are great bikes and handle well .... just not as well as the GS or GSA. I have both and do not ride off road but use the GS for shorter trips of say 3-7 days and on curvy backroads. If I am taking a 3-4 week trip across the US I take the RT.

    Funny but a lot of guys over not the BMW Sport Touring site have moved to GS's or GSA's for the better handling.

    The Pan American Adventure luggage which compares to the GSA luggage is .......

    Luggage volume capacity: Right case 2,257 cubic inches (37 liters), left case 2,746 cubic inches (45 liters)

    I have not checked but I suspect that is more than the RT or ST. And I suspect the Adventure luggage is the set up most buyers will choose.
    I look at it as, can I put a FF helmet in the panniers? 2 FF in the trunk? That's what my RT does. Their luggage doesn't do that. At all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ponch1 View Post
    I look at it as, can I put a FF helmet in the panniers? 2 FF in the trunk? That's what my RT does. Their luggage doesn't do that. At all.
    I guess I worry more about capacity than fitting 2 full face helmets in which won't ever happen on any bike when loaded for a trip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsinnc View Post
    I guess I worry more about capacity than fitting 2 full face helmets in which won't ever happen on any bike when loaded for a trip.
    Most of my riding is commuting and day stuff. Have to pack my gear away on stops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ponch1 View Post
    Most of my riding is commuting and day stuff. Have to pack my gear away on stops.
    And that makes sense, I have never commuted on a bike. My passion is touring and will be overnight trips or full day rides. I have never felt the need to lock my gear since it’s most alway close by. If I do need to secure items I use a helmet lock which works perfectly since my luggage is usually near full. If I commuted or needed to park in a city on a daily basis I’d probably modify my process as you have done.

    My GS has Zega Pro cases and I’ve yet to even install the locks.
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    Just saw on the evening news that the HD museum has reopened and scheduling free test rides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Man View Post
    Just saw on the evening news that the HD museum has reopened and scheduling free test rides.
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    I am not a huge Harley fan per se, but this bike is growing on me a bit and I hope that the bike becomes a big success for Harley.
    Baldy's review is the best one I have seen so far as well.
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    I went to the local dealer to see one, they had a demo but unfortunately couldn't be ridden until a coolant leak was fixed. Seat, bars, and pegs felt nice and I thought it looked better in person than in photos. Coming from an Africa Twin I appreciate the Pan Am's self adjusting valves and tubeless wheels.
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