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R1150R Turns Over, No Start
- Thread starter drsockmonkee
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jagarra
Gerard
You are correct, one for ignition the other for fuel. Since your HES is on the hit list to be changed if it is an old style, you would be ahead just to change it out.
While you are waiting for the HES to be returned from the rewiring, I would also pull the tank and remove the fuel pump assy and associated lines from the tank for inspection, I found that the U shaped hose on mine had a big crack in it, my bike had less than 24k at the time. Didn't think the break went completely through, but I was pretty happy to have found a protentional failure. May as well change the fuel filter while you are in there.
word of advise before you unbolt that plate, mark it in reference to it's location on the tank, makes it easier to get right orientation when trying to get it back into tank)
While you are waiting for the HES to be returned from the rewiring, I would also pull the tank and remove the fuel pump assy and associated lines from the tank for inspection, I found that the U shaped hose on mine had a big crack in it, my bike had less than 24k at the time. Didn't think the break went completely through, but I was pretty happy to have found a protentional failure. May as well change the fuel filter while you are in there.
word of advise before you unbolt that plate, mark it in reference to it's location on the tank, makes it easier to get right orientation when trying to get it back into tank)
gsaddict
Pepperfool
The top sensor controls the spark, the bottom controls the fuel pulse.
jsouth
Member
THIS right here ^ ^ ^ !!!!
Send off the HES harness for rewire and testing, work on in-tank stuff. Re-assemble with good HES and ride!
drsockmonkee
New member
drsockmonkee
New member
HAL sensor timing tool
Has anyone shown how to build one of those HAL sensor things?
Andy
Has anyone shown how to build one of those HAL sensor things?
Andy
pauls1150
MOA #24991, south of Los Angeles
Maybe you mean the Hall-Effect sensor? (actually two sensors on one plate)
A small coil of fine wire is wrapped around a small chunk of dense ferrite (iron); when a pole passes near enough to a magnet, physics (Grand Unified Theory) dictates that a small electrical charge is generated; that is passed to a transistor amplifier.
Just Google "Hall-effect sensor".
If somebody has dinked with the timing, just set it in the middle of the rotational slots and worry about it (not much, tho) after the bike is running.
A small coil of fine wire is wrapped around a small chunk of dense ferrite (iron); when a pole passes near enough to a magnet, physics (Grand Unified Theory) dictates that a small electrical charge is generated; that is passed to a transistor amplifier.
Just Google "Hall-effect sensor".
If somebody has dinked with the timing, just set it in the middle of the rotational slots and worry about it (not much, tho) after the bike is running.
Don’t worry about “HAL”, auto correct does that.
GSAddict above has a great reputation for repairing/bring the wiring on a HES back to life.
OM
drsockmonkee
New member
Not well written... (on my end)
Wow.. sorry i did not write the question correctly at all...
Illinois BMW Riders have a pretty good pdf on how to build a tester that helps you with getting the timing set on your new HES part..
I have looked at the plans and 'think' I can to the testing with the tool. I am just uncertain on the building of the tool.
Someone above gave me a really good idea... to just send out my existing HES and have it rewired, while I do the fuel pump.
I think that is a great idea... 'GSAddict' ..
FYI.. we just got hit with an ice storm here in N Texas and my 'Dad Projects' are taking a second fiddle to kids, dogs, and Bride...
I am going to buy the parts for inside the tank ...
while I am at it.. I will take the HES off and get it ready for GSAddict.
Sorry I did not write the first one up better....
Andy
Wow.. sorry i did not write the question correctly at all...
Illinois BMW Riders have a pretty good pdf on how to build a tester that helps you with getting the timing set on your new HES part..
I have looked at the plans and 'think' I can to the testing with the tool. I am just uncertain on the building of the tool.
Someone above gave me a really good idea... to just send out my existing HES and have it rewired, while I do the fuel pump.
I think that is a great idea... 'GSAddict' ..
FYI.. we just got hit with an ice storm here in N Texas and my 'Dad Projects' are taking a second fiddle to kids, dogs, and Bride...
I am going to buy the parts for inside the tank ...
while I am at it.. I will take the HES off and get it ready for GSAddict.
Sorry I did not write the first one up better....
Andy
m_stock10506
Well-known member
Before you loosen any of the screws that hold your HES plate to the bike, make scribe marks on the plate and the surround in at least two places. One on each side. After GSAddict repairs your HES wiring, you can put the plate back on the bike in the same position it was previously. Should not even need the timing box.
drsockmonkee
New member
drsockmonkee
New member
Fuel Pump parts are in
Sorry....
Just got the fuel pump and other items for the fuel system.
I will be able to start that part of the work soon.
Andy
Sorry....
Just got the fuel pump and other items for the fuel system.
I will be able to start that part of the work soon.
Andy
drsockmonkee
New member
Parts are in and the tank is off
Hi..
I have the parts, or I think I do. The tank is 'mostly' empty now after using the siphon on it.
I will be removing the HAL unit tomorrow and then getting it off to be reworked.
Now that I am into the job it is looking like it will be fun.
I am NOT the original owner of the bike, so I am getting to know her.
One of the things I see, is that the wiring harness outter sheathing missing in many places. Doe anyone have advice on replacing it?
I have been using that black plastic stuff (with the split on the side) and putting that around some of the places that look the most vulnerable.
I have not resorted to the black tape, but might in some areas.
Andy
Hi..
I have the parts, or I think I do. The tank is 'mostly' empty now after using the siphon on it.
I will be removing the HAL unit tomorrow and then getting it off to be reworked.
Now that I am into the job it is looking like it will be fun.
I am NOT the original owner of the bike, so I am getting to know her.
One of the things I see, is that the wiring harness outter sheathing missing in many places. Doe anyone have advice on replacing it?
I have been using that black plastic stuff (with the split on the side) and putting that around some of the places that look the most vulnerable.
I have not resorted to the black tape, but might in some areas.
Andy
drsockmonkee
New member
No problem...
I've been "re watching" content the outline and how to here
https://youtu.be/91Jf4-uBTTc
I think that it will work out fine...
I'm also going to pull the HAL plate to send out...
Andy
drsockmonkee
New member
Pulled Pump and filter
Hi,
I have pulled out the pump and filter. the wiring running from the pigtail to the pump has no insulation on it that is worth speaking of. I am thinking that this may have been the problem. The two lines running back into the tank from the plate are disintegrating, and there is a bit of garbage in the tank,.
I have a new pump and some of the line I need to do this job but the wiring inside the tank is in need of replacement.
I am going to go on a field trip for some more parts..
Andy
Hi,
I have pulled out the pump and filter. the wiring running from the pigtail to the pump has no insulation on it that is worth speaking of. I am thinking that this may have been the problem. The two lines running back into the tank from the plate are disintegrating, and there is a bit of garbage in the tank,.
I have a new pump and some of the line I need to do this job but the wiring inside the tank is in need of replacement.
I am going to go on a field trip for some more parts..
Andy
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drsockmonkee
New member
Rewired
I have the fuel pump and wiring set to go.
The folks at my local BMW shop were very helpful. They looked at the assembly and told me that they think that I was the Ethanol fuel.
I found out that the plate assembly is not sold in component parts. Only as a whole thing.
The vent lines up to the tank were also "perished".
Good on the folks here at the shop, when I spoke about rewiring.. they said it should be doable... for me..
They even encouraged me to get auto parts hoses for the vent lines as they should be more suited to the ethanol environment.
I ended up getting everything that I thought I was going to buy at the BMW shop at Autozone .. other than some more clamps.. I am very happy with those folks.
I bought vent hoses, and a pigtail for an internal auto fuel pump to get wiring for the bike and soldered it up..
I will put the bike all back together tomorrow
Andy
I have the fuel pump and wiring set to go.
The folks at my local BMW shop were very helpful. They looked at the assembly and told me that they think that I was the Ethanol fuel.
I found out that the plate assembly is not sold in component parts. Only as a whole thing.
The vent lines up to the tank were also "perished".
Good on the folks here at the shop, when I spoke about rewiring.. they said it should be doable... for me..
They even encouraged me to get auto parts hoses for the vent lines as they should be more suited to the ethanol environment.
I ended up getting everything that I thought I was going to buy at the BMW shop at Autozone .. other than some more clamps.. I am very happy with those folks.
I bought vent hoses, and a pigtail for an internal auto fuel pump to get wiring for the bike and soldered it up..
I will put the bike all back together tomorrow
Andy
drsockmonkee
New member
No Fuel, but pump is spinning now
Oh boy...
I have no leaks and can hear the pump spin up, but... do not see anything out of the injectors.
Going to regroup, and consider next steps.
Probably going to pull apart again..
Andy
Oh boy...
I have no leaks and can hear the pump spin up, but... do not see anything out of the injectors.
Going to regroup, and consider next steps.
Probably going to pull apart again..
Andy
smittyblackstone
New member
New pump, filter and hoses?
Nothing out of the injectors when cranking?
Are you sure your pressure and return hoses are correct?
Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk
Nothing out of the injectors when cranking?
Are you sure your pressure and return hoses are correct?
Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk
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