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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    It doesn't show a 2021 like the other K1600 models.
    You are correct, I didn't notice the 2020.

    But as there are 2021 GTL, Black, and Grand America models on the website I don't believe it can be the engine.
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    I just looked and it appears one can still buy a BMW bicycle AND even a BMW kick scooter:

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldCamper View Post
    I just looked and it appears one can still buy a BMW bicycle AND even a BMW kick scooter:

    https://parts.bmwnorthwest.com/p/BMW...relatedProduct
    See, BMW IS prepared to keep supplying two-wheeled transportation for itís aging clientele!

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    Last time I looked a substantial proportion of total Harley Davidson sales were in Europe. Does anybody have any idea what HD is doing to conform to the latest European Union requirements? How about Triumph?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    Last time I looked a substantial proportion of total Harley Davidson sales were in Europe. Does anybody have any idea what HD is doing to conform to the latest European Union requirements? How about Triumph?
    Triumph has released a number of Euro 5 compliant models already. Rocket 3, Tiger 900 range, Street Triple line-up and the Thruxton RS are all Euro 5-compliant.

    No idea what Harley is going to do. Seems to me their current motors struggle meeting Euro 4 standards. They have incorporated "targeted" liquid cooling for the heads and top part of the cylinder like the 1250 boxers but it's only on their top end models and is optional I think. Seems to me they could better meet Euro 5 by putting the targeted liquid cooling on all their motors. Of course, this means Harleys will have to have a cursed radiator. If they keep it air-oil cooled like the R18 that means an unsightly larger oil cooler. Even then keeping the thing cool and have decent power is pretty much impossible. A 45 degree V Twin is a lot harder to keep cool than a boxer and continuing that design going in an air cooled/primary air cooled format is really impossible. At some point, Harley will have to go to liquid cooling to meet ever tightening emissions standards if they want the engines to have more power than a lawn mower. The R1250s get away with targeted liquid cooling and primary air cooling because they are longitudinally arranged boxers which are inherently easy to cool with air flow.

    Back to the K1600. Long term, I think BMW have to revamp the motor to keep up. Right now, performance wise, the K1600 is about even with the 1250 RT. I number of K1600 riders have made the switch to the RT and I think the performance and increased smoothness of the 1250s is a big factor. I think this has or will kill the K1600GT. Maybe even the GTL. I think the K1600Bs will continue. That's just my opinion.

    What I do know, is the K1600s have never sold as well as the boxers, and it was the R1250RT which got the new LED lighting, adaptive cruise control, and new 10.2 inch display. Not a K1600 model. This tells me that the the current K1600 iteration may be at the end of the line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taran1900 View Post
    Triumph has released a number of Euro 5 compliant models already. Rocket 3, Tiger 900 range, Street Triple line-up and the Thruxton RS are all Euro 5-compliant.

    No idea what Harley is going to do. Seems to me their current motors struggle meeting Euro 4 standards. They have incorporated "targeted" liquid cooling for the heads and top part of the cylinder like the 1250 boxers but it's only on their top end models and is optional I think. Seems to me they could better meet Euro 5 by putting the targeted liquid cooling on all their motors. Of course, this means Harleys will have to have a cursed radiator. If they keep it air-oil cooled like the R18 that means an unsightly larger oil cooler. Even then keeping the thing cool and have decent power is pretty much impossible. A 45 degree V Twin is a lot harder to keep cool than a boxer and continuing that design going in an air cooled/primary air cooled format is really impossible. At some point, Harley will have to go to liquid cooling to meet ever tightening emissions standards if they want the engines to have more power than a lawn mower. The R1250s get away with targeted liquid cooling and primary air cooling because they are longitudinally arranged boxers which are inherently easy to cool with air flow.

    Back to the K1600. Long term, I think BMW have to revamp the motor to keep up. Right now, performance wise, the K1600 is about even with the 1250 RT. I number of K1600 riders have made the switch to the RT and I think the performance and increased smoothness of the 1250s is a big factor. I think this has or will kill the K1600GT. Maybe even the GTL. I think the K1600Bs will continue. That's just my opinion.

    What I do know, is the K1600s have never sold as well as the boxers, and it was the R1250RT which got the new LED lighting, adaptive cruise control, and new 10.2 inch display. Not a K1600 model. This tells me that the the current K1600 iteration may be at the end of the line.
    I'm not sure what fraction, if any, of Indian's sales are in the EU but their fully water-cooled Challenger engine may have an easier time meeting Euro5 than their air-cooled one.

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    This seems a shame, to me. When I bought my bike I was torn between the RT and the GTL. The RT is so tall, the GTL felt better when seated, but the GTL weighed so much more, and the RT had the venerable Boxer engine that had always fascinated me. Since my plan was to RV and trailer to various locations around the country and then spend time riding those areas, and since I was already in my 60's and decidedly not getting younger, the RT won out. I can't say I've regretted it, but I love the look of the GTL still. I even considered having both, for awhile, but I've tried that before with my wife and myself owning 3 Harleys at once. Her Sportster, and my FXR and FLH. Too much insurance, maintenance, just too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider View Post
    See, BMW IS prepared to keep supplying two-wheeled transportation for itís aging clientele!

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    Will we want to buy them though? Like I should talk, I've had my RT 10 years now and don't see myself upgrading soon.
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    If BMW were to discontinue the 6.......

    It would be the modern day equivalent of when they first introduced the Flat motor K bikes and tried to eliminate the boxers; It would blow up in their face. You don't see Honda considering discontinuing the Gold Wing; and if BMW discontinues the 6, I might be forced to go over to the dark side to own the only other 6 cylinder motorcycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willhawks View Post
    It would be the modern day equivalent of when they first introduced the Flat motor K bikes and tried to eliminate the boxers; It would blow up in their face. You don't see Honda considering discontinuing the Gold Wing; and if BMW discontinues the 6, I might be forced to go over to the dark side to own the only other 6 cylinder motorcycle.
    They got rid of the Slant Four K1300 engine. I didn't like it, but it didn't blow up in their face because there was not enough of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    They got rid of the Slant Four K1300 engine. I didn't like it, but it didn't blow up in their face because there was not enough of us.
    Didn't the K1600 come out a year or two later?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ponch1 View Post
    Didn't the K1600 come out a year or two later?
    Can't remember for sure, seems like the K1300 was discontinued in 2017 and the first year for the K1600 was 2011 or 2012.
    Anyone know the dates?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Can't remember for sure, seems like the K1300 was discontinued in 2017 and the first year for the K1600 was 2011 or 2012.
    Anyone know the dates?
    The post-a-picture of the 1600 started in June of 2011.
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    Quote Originally Posted by willhawks View Post
    It would be the modern day equivalent of when they first introduced the Flat motor K bikes and tried to eliminate the boxers; It would blow up in their face. You don't see Honda considering discontinuing the Gold Wing; and if BMW discontinues the 6, I might be forced to go over to the dark side to own the only other 6 cylinder motorcycle.
    Might be hard to find a decent Benelli 750/900 Sei, or a Kawasaki KZ1300 these days.
    A few Honda CBX1000’s are still around, but those are appreciating and getting expensive!
    Honda Gl1500 and 1800’s appear to be nearly impossible to wear out though and most will probably still be running well long after most of us are gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Man View Post
    The post-a-picture of the 1600 started in June of 2011.
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    I thought the last year of the K1300 was 2010.
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