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    To Trade or Not to Trade

    I currently have a 2013 F800GS and was dumb enough to demo the 1250GSA last weekend. While the price makes it out of reach (per my wife anyway)I loved how comfortable it was along with the wind protection it provided. I am thinking about trading the 2013 800GS with 26k miles for a 2010ish 1200GSA which would have at least 50k (to keep within a divorceless price range) and would like some advice from someone that has made that move. I do some gravel/easy dirt riding but mostly commute approximately 35 miles each day to work and am looking to go on longer rides/camping trips.

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    Wait until you've saved up the cash to get a newer GS, a 2014 or later. Meanwhile, work on the wife to get the "divorceless price range" increased.

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    The MY2015 and later has the stuff you will want on the GS. At About the same price easily.

    Have a website look today at Eurosport BMW, Asheville NC. A 15' there... that will make you smile!
    "travel'n" John... on a 2015 R1200GS / MOA# 102452
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    Do not trade, sell. You may lose a couple of thousand dollars in a trade, especially for a used bike. You should also ride the type bike you think you want. The hexhead (2005 - 2009) and camhead (2010-2012) are much different bikes. The GSA camhead may not have been introduced until 2011... I am not certain. I personally think the camheads are very good bikes. They are very well sorted out and seldom need a valve adjustment. The earlier models are good bikes but are much differnt than the liquid cooled models.
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    I can’t see how it makes sense to trade for an older bike with double the miles. Are you getting cash back?
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    As others have said, keep in mind that the 2010 R1200GSA is very different than the R1250GSA that you rode (as I think someone else mentioned). One big thing for me is the newer ones are more friendly to the height challenged like myself. Also, the engine behavior of the wetheads is just different than the older generations.

    That said, I love my camhead R1200RT and would be super happy with a GSA of that generation. Though if you're looking, try to find a 2013 model as they should have the float instead of the fuel strip which can save you some hassle. Make sure to ride it first and make sure you like it. The F800GS is also an awesome bike. From a cursory glance, I see F800s of your generation listed for $6-8k and the 10-13 R1200GSAs going for $8-10k. It's not a big jump if you were to sell yours privately and find another from a private party.

    If you do this all through a dealer, expect to lose $4-8k on the whole transaction between them paying you less for your bike and marking up the R1200GSA beyond what you would pay for it privately.
    Current rides: 2013 R1200RT 90th - 108k miles & 1996 R850R - 28k miles
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    What is it about the 800GS that you don't like? If it were me personally I would trade to a newer wethead, not down 3 years. You will take it in the shorts. Sell yours outright and then look for a newer 1200GS.

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    To avoid this-

    If you do this all through a dealer, expect to lose $4-8k on the whole transaction between them paying you less for your bike and marking up the R1200GSA beyond what you would pay for it privately.
    If I pay retail, I expect to receive retail........ Retail-Retail or Wholesale- Wholesale is “fair” all the way around although may be a struggle to achieve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Man View Post
    To avoid this-



    If I pay retail, I expect to receive retail........ Retail-Retail or Wholesale- Wholesale is “fair” all the way around although may be a struggle to achieve.

    OM
    That may be fair, but I have yet to find any dealer that will pay you retail price for a trade-in. Businesses don't operate on that model or else they wouldn't make any profits. Most seem to offer 15-20% lower than retail on trade-ins. Consignments are another option that sometimes will yield a higher selling price, but you will almost always get the most money selling it yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flyhi2cfar View Post
    The MY2015 and later has the stuff you will want on the GS. At About the same price easily.

    Have a website look today at Eurosport BMW, Asheville NC. A 15' there... that will make you smile!
    It looks like prices differ greatly when you compare NC with New England. It may be worth a trip to a warmer climate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vark View Post
    I can’t see how it makes sense to trade for an older bike with double the miles. Are you getting cash back?
    Just looking and contemplating at the moment. Winter is coming quick (this was evident from the 6 inches of snow that fell in NH yesterday morning) so there is no rush. I want to be sure to do my research and get the opinions those who are much more knowledgeable in this area than myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich View Post
    What is it about the 800GS that you don't like? If it were me personally I would trade to a newer wethead, not down 3 years. You will take it in the shorts. Sell yours outright and then look for a newer 1200GS.
    I actually really like my 800GS. I feel confident off road (which is why I chose it) and it is comfortable for the first 45 minutes - 1 hour on the road. The issue is that I get pushed forward in the seat and it becomes uncomfortable. I am 6' tall with long legs and the 1200GSA gave me more room, front to back with a much more comfortable seat and excellent wind protection for longer trips. My intention, when I went to the demo day was to get a feel for the RT and possibly get an RT for touring and commuting while kitting out the 800GS heavier on the off road end. The issue was that I did not like the RT. While it was incredibly comfortable, I felt like I was sitting on top of it instead of being one with it while also losing all road feel. I rode the GSA and it just fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by protrainerusa View Post
    I actually really like my 800GS. I feel confident off road (which is why I chose it) and it is comfortable for the first 45 minutes - 1 hour on the road. The issue is that I get pushed forward in the seat and it becomes uncomfortable. I am 6' tall with long legs and the 1200GSA gave me more room, front to back with a much more comfortable seat and excellent wind protection for longer trips. My intention, when I went to the demo day was to get a feel for the RT and possibly get an RT for touring and commuting while kitting out the 800GS heavier on the off road end. The issue was that I did not like the RT. While it was incredibly comfortable, I felt like I was sitting on top of it instead of being one with it while also losing all road feel. I rode the GSA and it just fit.
    My wife Annie has a 34 inch inseam and rides a 2014 F800GS and a 2017 R1200GS, both are standard height. At the seat the F800 is about .5 - .75 inch taller than the R12. Perhaps putting a new seat on your F800 will solve some of your problems. A well built seat that is tailored to you can both give you more leg room and relieve the sliding issue. If you found the stock R1250 seat comfortable you either were not on it very long or one the very few who like it. Seats built by Russel, Lamb or Mayer are among the best custom made seats.

    But I get it.... once the new bike bug gets a foothold in your mind, then it can be be hard to resist.
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    I will make a different suggestion. Try the new F850GSA.


    It has much the same benefits as the big GSA in better wind protection and greater range all with a lot less sticker shock. If you like your F800GS, the F850GSA will be an improvement over it and yet have many of the same qualities. As it has been a bit lagging in popularity with buyers, there are also some good deals from BMW on them with accessory credits and discounts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcmxcivrs View Post
    I will make a different suggestion. Try the new F850GSA.
    Agreed but probably outside the OP's divorceless price range. :laugh

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