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NAV VI Discontinued
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ncpbmw1953
Member
Built-in TFT navigation as they are already showing. I think if I had an RT w/ the GPS Prep I would definitely buy Nav VI it's perfectly functional and will be for the life of the motorcycle I'm sure enough. It does the job and is ideally located and bonus you can control parts of it w/ the wonder wheel.
mxsx337
Member
I'm always willing to learn new stuff
What functions of the Nav VI can you control with the "wonder wheel"?
What functions of the Nav VI can you control with the "wonder wheel"?
You can scroll between the 4 screens, navigate in the screens (ie. zoom in/zoom out the map).
Been There
I've returned three NAV VI units due to similar failures and yesterday the fourth, after a season of use, started to lose the mapping function. Now that I know it's not discontinued, I'll try to get another replacement. Very frustrating. Garmin will never see my money again.
I've returned three NAV VI units due to similar failures and yesterday the fourth, after a season of use, started to lose the mapping function. Now that I know it's not discontinued, I'll try to get another replacement. Very frustrating. Garmin will never see my money again.
dickgarrett
New member
GPS now integrated into 2021 R1250RT instrument screen
Starting with the 2021 models, BMW is integrating GPS into the new 10.25″ TFT instrument screen. The screen has a resolution of 1920×720 pixels. See it here: https://www.motorcycle.com/mini-features/2021-bmw-r1250rt-first-look.html
The RT fairing is modified to accommodate the new display and headlight arrangement. No word yet about a stand alone GPS unit but it might not happen since the new display apparently will be "standard", at least on the RT.
Starting with the 2021 models, BMW is integrating GPS into the new 10.25″ TFT instrument screen. The screen has a resolution of 1920×720 pixels. See it here: https://www.motorcycle.com/mini-features/2021-bmw-r1250rt-first-look.html
The RT fairing is modified to accommodate the new display and headlight arrangement. No word yet about a stand alone GPS unit but it might not happen since the new display apparently will be "standard", at least on the RT.
gtrider
52184
No, maps are downloaded to phone. But it IS dependent upon Bluetooth connection between phone and TFT. That connection is where the majority of problems arise with the Connected app. The media player and phone call component of the app fail to connect occasionally but the nav component struggles all the time. Communication with the developer resulted in a recommendation to start the app on the phone then power on the bike but wait at least one minute before starting the bike. How many users are willing to do that?
I suspect the issue is centered around the older version of BT that BMW is using coupled with improvement needed in the way the app is establishing the connection. I abandoned the app but now that I’ve had the TFT flashed at the 12k service I should try it again.
Best,
DeVern
patm
Member
If you mean cell tower reception for localisation, no, most medium to high end cell phones have GPS chips.
Cell phones can use both cell tower and GPS signals to get their localisation.
I'm still wondering how good the GPS antenna is on cells vs dedicated GPS devices like our Navs.
I've been in areas where my GPS would get no or very weak reception and would get confused.
Without cell tower signal the phone would be lost or deeply confused. Then again being able to use either signals might improve localisation.
I'm also wondering about the Bluetooth connection. It is easily affected by interferences. I use Waze with Android Auto in my car but through a USB cable.
It's mostly reliable. Will that work on the new bike?
pglaves
#13338
Simple is better. Bluetooth is notorious for being troublesome.
exgman
Active member
My 2019 BMW 530eX 4-wheeler came with a short-term (1 year) Apply CarPlay. After a year, that went away, but BMW decided to give it away in January 2020 instead of charging every CarPlay user $80/year. Using Waze with iPhones in our BMW is a high-quality experience. It works well through Apple CarPlay. I have seen that Apple CarPlay (and perhaps the Android iteration of the same thing) comes standard on Honda GoldWings, and even on the newest Honda Africa Twin.
Considering how well it works, I surmise that BMW has figured out how to get Bluetooth to work well in the cars. However, our 2015 BMW 535dx had BT2.0. That was abysmal.
I wonder if BMW Motorrad/BMW NA have ever held any kind of consumer panels/focus groups to actually consider how riders are using its products and suggestions we'd have?
I’m trying to understand that the CAN-smart needed to integrate an accessory into a motorcycle has “flash” update available?
Shades of Windoze Batman.
OM
glenfiddich
TravelsWithBarley.com
I hope whatever they come out with fits in the existing mounts
Cell phone coverage in the US is much more problematic. Clearly the highly populated areas have good coverage, the cell companies have done a good job of having pretty seamless coverage along the interstates and most traveled highways and well populated areas. But in many states, in in my state hilly Vermont in particular once you are off these major roads you cell coverage is much less likely. Here the cell companies claim coverage to about 95% of the people (this is disputed) but freely acknowledge that around 75% of the state land area does not have coverage.
The assumption that a Cell phone GPS capabilities is equal to a dedicated unit like Garmin is false.
The cell phone packaging does not allow equal antenna capability. This is most important as good signal strength from multiple satellites is critical for accurate location. Yes the cell phone "fuse data" from cell tower location to augment this shortfall, but again if it is only in contact with one cell tower does not mean much. A down loaded map looks nice but you do not know where you are! While I do not know specifically it is not clear to me that cell phone GPS imbedded reciever and algorithms are equal or let alone better that those units like Garmin. Note a significant portion of Garmin's business is now Aircraft navigation and instrumentation, Military GPS applications (much more accurate technology), ship board, etc.
Yes I much prefer Google maps for its great and constantly upgraded data base beyond physical location and I use this for planning, finding gas, points of interest, rooms often. However, when I'm riding, wandering new roads, figuring which way to turn next I find I need a real dedicated GPS.
I do not see the need for real GPS to be going away for riders like me.
ps I find that a GS rider, an adventure rider, that does not need a real GPS a bit of an oxymoron!
ps The map data base of my subaru (clearly to Garmin) is crap in rural areas
The assumption that a Cell phone GPS capabilities is equal to a dedicated unit like Garmin is false.
The cell phone packaging does not allow equal antenna capability. This is most important as good signal strength from multiple satellites is critical for accurate location. Yes the cell phone "fuse data" from cell tower location to augment this shortfall, but again if it is only in contact with one cell tower does not mean much. A down loaded map looks nice but you do not know where you are! While I do not know specifically it is not clear to me that cell phone GPS imbedded reciever and algorithms are equal or let alone better that those units like Garmin. Note a significant portion of Garmin's business is now Aircraft navigation and instrumentation, Military GPS applications (much more accurate technology), ship board, etc.
Yes I much prefer Google maps for its great and constantly upgraded data base beyond physical location and I use this for planning, finding gas, points of interest, rooms often. However, when I'm riding, wandering new roads, figuring which way to turn next I find I need a real dedicated GPS.
I do not see the need for real GPS to be going away for riders like me.
ps I find that a GS rider, an adventure rider, that does not need a real GPS a bit of an oxymoron!
ps The map data base of my subaru (clearly to Garmin) is crap in rural areas
Try updating the database in your Subaru-
https://www.subaru.com/content/dam/subaru/starlink-owners/Subaru-Starlink-Map-Updates-08.29.18.pdf
Even 4 wheel vehicles can be updated.
OM
gtrider
52184
Sure, if you want to spend the money. I just received a map update notice for my pickup, for which the vendor wants $149. I played that game once, only to discover that the maps were still incomplete or inaccurate compared to my Garmin or to Google Maps. For $149 I can buy a Garmin unit that comes with lifetime maps. So on a lot of vehicles updating the built-in Nav system is a losing proposition; you’re better off spending your money making sure your next vehicle comes with Car Play or Android Auto, or acquiring a decent Garmin unit.
Best,
DeVern
