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    Verizon offers Travel Pass for travel to MX or CA at $5/day. International usage is $10/day. One can avoid the Travel Pass fees by turning off cellular data, but that of course means depending upon motels and coffee shops or restaurants for internet access. If maps have been downloaded to a gps-enabled phone then mapping apps will still work.

    https://www.verizonwireless.com/supp...avelpass-faqs/

    Cathy and I have used this quite a bit in North America as well as overseas, and it has worked well. Depending upon the length of oneís trip or stay, it can be much easier and less expensive than buying and swapping SIM cards.

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    Will the new Zumo XT pop into my BMW cradle? I know the wonder wheel probably won't work, but I'd love it if it rode right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    Yes the NAV VI is discontinued.

    And yes, the Zumo XT looks good.

    And yes, integrating other stuff like cell service with the GPS was asked about and the lack of cell service was relevant to the discussion. If not interested, scroll right on by.

    ,wading through coverage talk to find out WHY VI was discontinued...it is a relatively new gen. Mine has been flawless except for one time when I think it was drunk or high or something. so...why has it been discontinued and should I worry? I doubt my 2016 R11200RT will mate with another brand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jstrube View Post
    Will the new Zumo XT pop into my BMW cradle? I know the wonder wheel probably won't work, but I'd love it if it rode right.
    Looking at the back of the case it appears it will not work in any of the BMW mounts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jstrube View Post
    Will the new Zumo XT pop into my BMW cradle? I know the wonder wheel probably won't work, but I'd love it if it rode right.
    It will definitely not fit. First, the back does not have a form that would allow it to attach to the BMW Mount and second, it will not physically fit in the space. It is 0.5" wider and 0.25" taller (landscape mode).

    Having said that, there will likely be someone who figures out how to adapt the connection so that it could be mounted with an adaptor and BMW Motorrad may be able to squeeze something out of it with an exterior shell that is small enough to fit into the available space. The Nav-VI has 18 contacts on the rear panel, while the Zumo XT has only 5, so there would likely need to be some fiddling done to get things to work.

    Quote Originally Posted by xplsv View Post
    ... I had just picked up the Garmin Zumo 595LM as a secondary unit to the Nav VI for rally events, but it is still sitting in the box after its arrival about two weeks ago. I think I'm about to pull the trigger and return it for an XT.
    I'd give that very strong consideration as well if it were me in your shoes.

    Any way you slice it, the Zumo XT looks to be a very nice improvement over anything that Garmin has offered to-date and at or below the other units pricing, so that is a win-win in my books.
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    Garmin is great for screwing the customer. Owners of the Apollo IFR certified GPS units are all screwed because Garmin stopped supplying the GPS updates which to remain IFR certified must have FAA software updated every 28 days. Garmin wants over $10,000 for the new units. Thatís the bottom end ones. Flying IFR require two units.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulie321 View Post
    Garmin is great for screwing the customer. Owners of the Apollo IFR certified GPS units are all screwed because Garmin stopped supplying the GPS updates which to remain IFR certified must have FAA software updated every 28 days. Garmin wants over $10,000 for the new units. Thatís the bottom end ones. Flying IFR require two units.
    I flew the Apollo for years. They became too dated to support and be compliant with the changing aviation navigation landscape. At some point you have to upgrade. Some will not do that unless forced, and Garmin, as well as other manufacturers cannot afford to support systems for decades just because.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider View Post
    Car Play and Android Auto donít depend upon cell service unless you are using streaming services or making/receiving a call. Both can be used to play music directly from the phone, just as is currently done with Garmin and Nav devices, and there is no real difference in service availability than what you currently have with a phone connected to a Garmin or Nav unit. At home, Paul isnít going to get calls, weather or traffic info piped between phone, gps and headset regardless of the phone, gps, or app used.

    The issue is in providing proven workable apps and connectivity, and the Nav VI/TFT screen/Phone connectivity on the new bikes is horribly unreliable and incomplete. For example, if youíre playing music stored on the phone you cannot, with the Nav VI, control start/stop/pause from the Nav VI screen. Piped through the TFT, itís much more controllable but still doesnít utilize Siri or other functionality on the phone. Car mfgrs went through the same issues in rolling out info screens and eventually realized the smarter path was to license proven technology like Car Play, technology that works consistently across car brands, rather than trying to reinvent the wheel. Hence Car Play and Android Auto appearing across the car market, and not just in high-end models.

    Honda is tuned in on this. The new Goldwing has Car Play, and adds Homelink to boot, so no more fumbling for a place to mount a door opener or a pocket in which to stash it. https://powersports.honda.com/goldwing/2020/index.html As TFT screens continue to drop in price it will make less and less sense to continue devoting resources to add-ons like free-standing gps units. And the widespread acceptance of CP/AA make harder to justify devoting resources to try and develop an in-house alternative for use on TFT screens.

    Anyway, back to the Zumo XT and thoughts of Nav VII. The only way it makes sense for BMW to front development and production is if the exterior case and mount match the Nav V/VI units, so thereís a backward-compatible upgrade available for current Nav owners. Otherwise, itís likely too small a market to make the unit affordable. And, BMW would be competing against itís own TFT screens with in-house Navigation and Phone apps. Pricing on the Nav units was always around $200 more than a comparable Garmin-branded unit and Iíd expect to see that continue.

    Iíd rather see them focus on improving and more widely deploying the TFTóincluding licensing CP and moving the entire TFT dash up to where the Nav units currently mount, but moved closer to the rider. One screen, apps one is familiar with and that work the same regardless of vehicle, and mounted where itís easy to check something without distracting the view of road and traffic.

    Just my $0.02.

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    Unfortunately, BMW is very slow to learn what riders want when it comes to information and communications systems. Look at how long riders have been complaining about the ancient and horrible Bluetooth implementation on the K1600, BMW's flagship tourer. BMW's solution is to use their branded communication system/helmet, which is also the only way to get two helmets to connect to the bike. If they were conscious of the market, they would have long ago upgraded the Bluetooth to the latest standard and allowed for full connectivity with both Cardo and Sena. BMW is now selling Sena communicators, but I haven't heard yet if you can connect both a rider and passenger to the bike with those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    There's still a lot of dead zones in the US.
    For maps, you could always download the areas without connectivity you will ride in to your phone (Google Maps on Android, anyway) while you are still in an area with connectivity. If we had Android Auto, this would solve the problem. I can't help but think that smart phone based GPS is the future across all platforms, whether the information is displayed on the phone or in a dedicated vehicle screen. I say this as someone who bought a new Nav VI one year ago when I bought my new K1600GTL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandman333 View Post
    For maps, you could always download the areas without connectivity you will ride in to your phone (Google Maps on Android, anyway) while you are still in an area with connectivity.
    Each summer we travel 10 to 12 thousand miles, almost all west of the Mississippi and mostly west of I-25. Virtually all of this riding is on minor and secondary roads. As I wrote earlier something over 50% and maybe as much as 75% of the area we ride has no cell coverage. So for me a dedicated GPS is what I want for navigation. When riding my Iphone is in my pocket. I don't do tunes. Voni and I communicate with light and hand signals. So downloading maps every day would just be a pain in the neck.

    I do use Google Maps extensively for trip planning and picking out motels if we are not camping that night. It provides a great overview of a motel's neighborhood and the appearance of the place on street view most of the time. We use the phone apps to book campgrounds and motels. I do understand why many folks want comm, tunes, navigation, and phone all integrated. That is just not us, though.
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    iPhone I think doesn't have a SD card slot to expand memory? I've only ever had Android phones with that capacity, and with the large SD cards today, you could easily download all the coverage areas you need in one shot and not have to worry about losing connection during a long trip like that. AA or Car play would keep your phone charged while connected to the bike in a compartment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandman333 View Post
    iPhone I think doesn't have a SD card slot to expand memory? I've only ever had Android phones with that capacity, and with the large SD cards today, you could easily download all the coverage areas you need in one shot and not have to worry about losing connection during a long trip like that. AA or Car play would keep your phone charged while connected to the bike in a compartment.

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    Thanks for that information. I am glad it works for you. It does not trip my trigger at all.
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    Don't get me wrong, I absolutely agree that there's a place for dedicated GPS units. I wouldn't have bought the Nav VI if I didn't think that. I can see dedicated units being used, especially on motorcycles, for many years yet. IMO, I think we will see the availability of technologies like AA and CarPlay overwhelmingly dominate that function in the not so distant future, even for motorcycles.

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    I've been poo-pooing GPS units for a long time because of the outrageous (to me) cost of motorcycle-specific units. This new one changes the math to make it VERY tempting for me to dive in. I use Google Maps for all my navigation needs but I would rather keep the phone on my person in case the bike and I are, eh, "involuntarily separated."

    Does anyone on here use Garmin's traffic data that can comment of its accuracy away from huge urban settings like NYC or LA? That remains one of Google Maps' best feature since they acquired Waze. I had an old Garmin unit with from FM-based traffic system that was total crap and so I'm wondering, now that their unit connects to the internet via your smartphone, if they tap into the same (or similar) traffic data source.
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    Garmin "Smartlink" for Traffic on BMW NAV

    Pappy - Garmin has an app (SmartLink) which is downloadable to an iPhone (and perhaps others). This app connects via BlueTooth to the BMW/Garmin Navigator and attempts to provide traffic information, and weather to the BMW Nav device. It collects the traffic information, then passes it along to the Nav unit. Around Boston it will attempt to rout me around bad traffic. I use Waze also which seems to be more adaptable, and faster at improvisation.

    I made a screenshot of the main screen which I'll stick in below this text. If you have an iPhone you could look in the app store for "Garmin SmartLink" and see what it says there...

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