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rick601 said:
HUSH your mouth! That rational may sound good from a govt POV, but it removes any on the spot recognition of exigent circumstances which a cop with half a brain could evaluate- And the "let the judicial system decide" attitude assumes that one can take the time for court, go through the pleading rigamaroll etc etc. Roboticketing is one of those things that sounds logical but in practice is a nightmare.
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FWIW, in MA in order to receive a citation for a speeding or moving violation in a vehicle, a police officer has to witness the event, and issue the citation at the time. As a result, we don't have either speed or red-light cameras here.
 
Remember being warned about Big Brother and the advocates shouting down the cautionistas as alarmists? It's inevitable progress, they said, for our own good. What harm could well meaning eyes helping us through every phase of our miserable lives? Why do you think Orwell, Vonnegut and Bradbury wrote their books? Others said, motorcycles are a completely different topic. AI has begun in its most inauspicious ways. Helping dummies. Yup, motorcycles are political too.

Irony is many are trying to preserve making, doing with hands while progress hurries forward with hands off. The final straw is laying on couch, beer intravenously, rally's on virtual reality goggles, snacks delivered and fed by AI, voting by chip technology implanted, background musack pumped in screened for hate thought, society asleep gets exactly what it deserves. Sell yer old stuff if you want.

The World Fair in Seattle, 1962, couldn't be built today. A place where I saw the first four cylinder 250 Honda used to win the first grands prix by a Japanese rider. I was dumbfounded. Thought to me self, who, how, did they do this? Fast forward 58 years, who, how did they do this?

Progress morphing, marching backwards? Progress running its inevitable course? Motorcycles the embodiment of freedom, used to monitor people, for their good? Counterintuitive thinking monitoring civility, freedom, motorcycling. There's a scenario Bradbury missed. Thompson too. George in The Time Machine couldn't believe he could zoom ahead thousands of years only to witness humans in chains, again.

Enjoy yer airheads or whatever you got.
 
ExGMan said:
FWIW, in MA in order to receive a citation for a speeding or moving violation in a vehicle, a police officer has to witness the event, and issue the citation at the time. As a result, we don't have either speed or red-light cameras here.
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Interesting. So imagine a high speed pursuit was initiated but then called off after it was recognized to be too dangerous, and the officer had the license plate ID anyway. Since the several citations could not be issued at that time, does that mean no citations can be issued after officers go to the miscreant's house and wait for him to arrive home? That seems unlikely, but ...?
 
PGlaves said:
Interesting. So imagine a high speed pursuit was initiated but then called off after it was recognized to be too dangerous, and the officer had the license plate ID anyway. Since the several citations could not be issued at that time, does that mean no citations can be issued after officers go to the miscreant's house and wait for him to arrive home? That seems unlikely, but ...?
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A good argument could be made that staking out the residence to which the plate was registered could constitute an unbroken chain of pursuit. But that wouldn’t be the stone that brought things to a halt; the problem would arise in establishing the identity of the rider at the time the act was committed. Without that, the prosecutor won’t waste his time.

This is the reason why, when a community installs speeding or red light cameras, they also amend statutes so that the registered owner is liable for the citation regardless of who was actually operating the vehicle at the time. But of course, it’s not all about the money...

Best,
DeVern
 
rick601 said:
HUSH your mouth! That rational may sound good from a govt POV, but it removes any on the spot recognition of exigent circumstances which a cop with half a brain could evaluate- And the "let the judicial system decide" attitude assumes that one can take the time for court, go through the pleading rigamaroll etc etc. Roboticketing is one of those things that sounds logical but in practice is a nightmare.
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Unfortunately, a state or municipality has to decide if the expense of sending a patrol officer to a hearing is worth the minor amount of fine revenue that might be collected.
 
ExGMan said:
FWIW, in MA in order to receive a citation for a speeding or moving violation in a vehicle, a police officer has to witness the event, and issue the citation at the time. As a result, we don't have either speed or red-light cameras here.
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However, you're also called Taxachussettes.
 
Creative Police Work - Produce Creative Results

PGlaves said:
Interesting. So imagine a high speed pursuit was initiated but then called off after it was recognized to be too dangerous, and the officer had the license plate ID anyway. Since the several citations could not be issued at that time, does that mean no citations can be issued after officers go to the miscreant's house and wait for him to arrive home? That seems unlikely, but ...?
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Back in the day (1960's) the bad boy down the street had a BSA, maybe a Hornet, and the police took up chase and he lost them. When he got home, opened up the garage door, the police car was parked inside waiting. Those BSA's, and their print ads, were of great interest to young guys like me.


Wayne Koppa
Grayling, MI
#71,449

We got the snow.
 
PGlaves said:
Interesting. So imagine a high speed pursuit was initiated but then called off after it was recognized to be too dangerous, and the officer had the license plate ID anyway. Since the several citations could not be issued at that time, does that mean no citations can be issued after officers go to the miscreant's house and wait for him to arrive home? That seems unlikely, but ...?
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I think the crowded roads of MA have made chases at speed rare events. There is tremendous cooperation and communication among departments so miscreants are brought quickly to justice.
 
A departed friend of mine was once chased by the police back in our hometown. My friend lost the cop by crossing a footbridge on his bike that the police car could not cross and headed straight home and parked the bike in the garage. Moments later the police car was at his door (the bike was a distinctive chopper and well known around town). The police officer decided to demonstrate his detecting skills to prove that the bike had just been ridden by grabbing the exhaust header. Needless to say the officer burned his hand badly.
 
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