Now I understand the phrase "wooden feeling brakes".
Just did my own upgrade to my RT
Frank
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2019 R1250 GS Hayes Brake Caliper Failure
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Frank
Delivery choice
I just got an email from my dealer today. My undelivered 1250RT is still waiting for brakes from BMW. The dealer offered me the bike (i.e. close the sale and pay), I can take it back later when the brakes are in. I do not know if my bike is leaking or not. Just seeking some advice on whether to take the bike so I can fit up all my accessories (e.g. Lights) during this covid down time. Just wondering if the bike is safe to ride during the break in period or if the leak will cause pad or tire contamination or unsafe stops. Is wiping and monitoring fluid levels a safe option.
Thoughts?
I just got an email from my dealer today. My undelivered 1250RT is still waiting for brakes from BMW. The dealer offered me the bike (i.e. close the sale and pay), I can take it back later when the brakes are in. I do not know if my bike is leaking or not. Just seeking some advice on whether to take the bike so I can fit up all my accessories (e.g. Lights) during this covid down time. Just wondering if the bike is safe to ride during the break in period or if the leak will cause pad or tire contamination or unsafe stops. Is wiping and monitoring fluid levels a safe option.
Thoughts?
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riderr1150gsadv
Well-known member
Have your dealer order the Brembo calipers and put them on as part of the deal.... 
blacque jacque shellacque
Member
Can you elaborate why your undelivered RT is waiting for brakes? If the calipers start to leak, you won't be riding. How long will it take for the new parts to arrive? One month, two months, three months? The warranty clock starts upon delivery. If the bike is idle waiting for the parts to show up, the warranty clock is still ticking away. Once you pay for the bike, the problem is yours. Right now its the dealers problem. There is no way I would accept delivery of a vehicle with a known unresolved issue. That's just asking for trouble.
kaileybutt
Member
Brake calipers leaking
Congratulations on the pending purchase - a great motorcycle.
I agree with Blacque Jacque Shellacque on not taking delivery. The dealer can apply far more pressure on BMW than you can - who is the larger customer to BMW? In my view, once you have taken possession of the bike, it now is a service issue and you'll need to get in line with the rest of the world's customers to get the replacement calipers - and you have forfeited any leverage. I would be telling the sales mgr/GM you'll take delivery once the replacement calipers are installed and make it their problem, not yours.
With covid, I'm sure there are significant issues with production and delivery so the wait for Hayes might be quite some time -
Congratulations on the pending purchase - a great motorcycle.
I agree with Blacque Jacque Shellacque on not taking delivery. The dealer can apply far more pressure on BMW than you can - who is the larger customer to BMW? In my view, once you have taken possession of the bike, it now is a service issue and you'll need to get in line with the rest of the world's customers to get the replacement calipers - and you have forfeited any leverage. I would be telling the sales mgr/GM you'll take delivery once the replacement calipers are installed and make it their problem, not yours.
With covid, I'm sure there are significant issues with production and delivery so the wait for Hayes might be quite some time -
Continued brake issues and Stop Sale
It appears as though the saga continues with the brake issues.
My 2019 r1250 GSA which I purchased in February of 2019 and was recently stolen had no issues with the front brakes, I did take it to the dealer to get inspected prior to leaving on a big trip back in July and they gave me the all clear. The bike had about 7,500 miles on it when it got stolen and like I said had no issues whatsoever with the front brakes.
This is where it gets maddening though. As a replacement to my old bike I ordered a 2021 R1250 GSA about 3 weeks ago and I was told last week that a recall and stop sale on the bikes had been issued because of the front brakes again. It seems to me that BMW have had nearly a year to resolve this fault but not only haven't they fixed it on the 19 and 20 model years they keep making the bikes with exactly the same problem. Its absolutely infuriating and does nothing but erode customer confidence in the brand.
Sorry for the rant, but I'm more than a little ticked off.
It appears as though the saga continues with the brake issues.
My 2019 r1250 GSA which I purchased in February of 2019 and was recently stolen had no issues with the front brakes, I did take it to the dealer to get inspected prior to leaving on a big trip back in July and they gave me the all clear. The bike had about 7,500 miles on it when it got stolen and like I said had no issues whatsoever with the front brakes.
This is where it gets maddening though. As a replacement to my old bike I ordered a 2021 R1250 GSA about 3 weeks ago and I was told last week that a recall and stop sale on the bikes had been issued because of the front brakes again. It seems to me that BMW have had nearly a year to resolve this fault but not only haven't they fixed it on the 19 and 20 model years they keep making the bikes with exactly the same problem. Its absolutely infuriating and does nothing but erode customer confidence in the brand.
Sorry for the rant, but I'm more than a little ticked off.
riderr1150gsadv
Well-known member
It appears as though the saga continues with the brake issues.
My 2019 r1250 GSA which I purchased in February of 2019 and was recently stolen had no issues with the front brakes, I did take it to the dealer to get inspected prior to leaving on a big trip back in July and they gave me the all clear. The bike had about 7,500 miles on it when it got stolen and like I said had no issues whatsoever with the front brakes.
This is where it gets maddening though. As a replacement to my old bike I ordered a 2021 R1250 GSA about 3 weeks ago and I was told last week that a recall and stop sale on the bikes had been issued because of the front brakes again. It seems to me that BMW have had nearly a year to resolve this fault but not only haven't they fixed it on the 19 and 20 model years they keep making the bikes with exactly the same problem. Its absolutely infuriating and does nothing but erode customer confidence in the brand.
Sorry for the rant, but I'm more than a little ticked off.
No sweat about the rant! Sorry to read you bike was stolen to top it all off...
Don't think that the dealers aren't ticked off either. Yesterday I was at 441 Cycle in FT Lauderdale for an annual brake flush and they told me all about the 40 year anniversary event they were supposed to have. But with no bikes to show, it was called off.. One would think someone at BMW would wake up...
taran1900
Member
I stopped by the local dealer this last Wednesday and picked up some new summer gloves. While there, I asked how it was going with the recall on the Hayes calipers. In short, the answer was, "not well". Like you said the replacement calipers are having the same exact issue. According to the folks at the dealer, BMW is trying to come up with another plan as the replacement calipers have the same problem. My bike has an active recall, but activity on the recall itself has been halted as well as a resumption of a stop sale on all the bikes with Hayes calipers. Sounds like a colossal mess. At some point, I would expect that BMW may have to buy some bikes back given that this does not seem to be getting solved anytime too. I think the moral of the story is choose your suppliers wisely and quality check everything from the ones you choose.
I am one of the lucky owners who have not experienced any leaks on my 2019 RT. My fingers remain crossed.
brorke
Member
Not sure they will start buying bikes back for leaking brake calipers. They need to sit down with Brembo and work out a deal on replacements for all these bikes. The Brembos bolt right on! I took delivery of my 2019 with Brembos back in January. I just refused to buy the bike with Hayes calipers on it. Im just amazed that this is still going on
my solution to the problem. Pic of my 2020
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exgman
Active member
It appears as though the saga continues with the brake issues.
My 2019 r1250 GSA which I purchased in February of 2019 and was recently stolen had no issues with the front brakes, I did take it to the dealer to get inspected prior to leaving on a big trip back in July and they gave me the all clear. The bike had about 7,500 miles on it when it got stolen and like I said had no issues whatsoever with the front brakes.
This is where it gets maddening though. As a replacement to my old bike I ordered a 2021 R1250 GSA about 3 weeks ago and I was told last week that a recall and stop sale on the bikes had been issued because of the front brakes again. It seems to me that BMW have had nearly a year to resolve this fault but not only haven't they fixed it on the 19 and 20 model years they keep making the bikes with exactly the same problem. Its absolutely infuriating and does nothing but erode customer confidence in the brand.
Sorry for the rant, but I'm more than a little ticked off.
The NHTSA website shows no recall for the 2021 GS & GSA for brakes. It does show a recall for a sticker on the bike with tire pressures. Here's a screenshot of Recall 20V-495:
just for info.
I own a 2020RT. The 2020s do NOT have Brembos in the front. See my thread "100% guaranteed fix for leaking Hayes calipers" above.
that's not quite correct. I refer you to my post "Guaranteed 100% fix for leaking Hayes calipers" in this same Wetheads topic. It explains in great detail "how they got there" and has a detailed breakdown of the cost, etc.
If I had to guess, they didn’t send out bikes the would purposely fail.
I doubt BMW will ever be able to state why the Hayes were chosen.
The good thing is that there is a three year warranty.
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