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    Quote Originally Posted by wildbears View Post
    Helmet Safety

    My current helmet is a Shoei RF1200.

    This is my fourth iteration of this model and they keep getting better.

    It will be interesting to see how it fares with the new European testing standards.

    However, if satisfactory for rotational injury protection and as I just purchased it, a safer helmet may have to wait awhile.

    I also wonder if Shoei and Arai will introduce new models at the last minute to submit for the new testing standards?
    If you read the documents on the Snell Foundation website; specifically, the discussion about M2020D and M2020R test certifications you might find a clue.
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    Question Hand Signals

    Hand Signals

    This Fall while driving in the Deal’s Gap area there was a close call involving 3 BMW GSs.

    This happened on 28 coming back from Fontana Lake.

    We were on a very twisty section of road with no pull offs.

    First bike successfully passes on a blind curve but could have been taken out by oncoming traffic.

    He's up ahead approaching another left hand blind turn and sticks his arm straight out to indicate a car is coming around the curve.

    The second rider takes this as an all clear signal and starts to pass.

    We quickly move towards the shoulder as it's clear if we don't the 2nd rider will be taken out in a head on.

    There's no berm to move onto.

    So he's right next to us, sharing the lane with our van at 50 mph, as the oncoming car passes.

    It was that close!
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    Question Helmet Safety

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    Does Snell testing data reflect rotational forces likely in a crash?

    Or are the Snell testing parameters insufficient?

    Some feel the jury is still out on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildbears View Post

    Some feel the jury is still out on this.
    Some still think the earth is flat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    Some still think the earth is flat.
    Ya know, you can stand in front of the library and point inside when someone asks a question. If they refuse to enter the library and research the topic, that's their problem. But, when they continue asking the same question at each street corner, it isn't a sign of stability or knowledge..............
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildbears View Post
    Hand Signals

    This Fall while driving in the Dealís Gap area there was a close call involving 3 BMW GSs.

    This happened on 28 coming back from Fontana Lake.

    We were on a very twisty section of road with no pull offs.

    First bike successfully passes on a blind curve but could have been taken out by oncoming traffic.

    He's up ahead approaching another left hand blind turn and sticks his arm straight out to indicate a car is coming around the curve.

    The second rider takes this as an all clear signal and starts to pass.

    We quickly move towards the shoulder as it's clear if we don't the 2nd rider will be taken out in a head on.

    There's no berm to move onto.

    So he's right next to us, sharing the lane with our van at 50 mph, as the oncoming car passes.

    It was that close!
    Idiots and if members MOA idiots. Been on those roads enough times to know to not even think about a pass on a very slow posted road due to LEO presence and especially in a blind curve.

    As far as signals...also a fail as the extended arm horizontally in my world means clear. Unless I know the habits and skills of person behind me, I rarely make that call for them as I sure would feel pretty bad if bad things happened.
    Glad it didnít end badly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildbears View Post
    Helmet Safety

    Does Snell testing data reflect rotational forces likely in a crash?

    Or are the Snell testing parameters insufficient?

    Some feel the jury is still out on this.
    We buy helmets from some of the bigger names and donít spend a lot of time,none really, on reading test data. Maybe because we can ride yearlong and donít have down time and maybe we donít worry about it.


    Testing good but so many variables out in the real world that can affect the static results of a lab.YRMV
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    Quote Originally Posted by henzilla View Post
    We buy helmets from some of the bigger names and donít spend a lot of time,none really, on reading test data. Maybe because we can ride yearlong and donít have down time and maybe we donít worry about it.


    Testing good but so many variables out in the real world that can affect the static results of a lab.YRMV
    The Snell Foundation website has a good deal of discussion on the new M2020R and M2020D test procedures and the topic of rotational (torsional) load tests. They also communicate with the UNECE. While the individual organizations have their own protocols, they appear to work in a collaborative manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 36654 View Post
    The Snell Foundation website has a good deal of discussion on the new M2020R and M2020D test procedures and the topic of rotational (torsional) load tests. They also communicate with the UNECE. While the individual organizations have their own protocols, they appear to work in a collaborative manner.
    Kudos to Snell and UNECE. I doubt that much of anybody related to the DOT standard does much coordination with anybody at all. I can't say the DOT standard is meaningless. There are lots of helmets (maybe I should say beanie lids) out there that won't meet it: thus the need for fake DOT stickers at your favorite Sturgis vendor.

    I look for the ECE approval. I think it is the most meaningful. YMMV
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    Kudos to Snell and UNECE. I doubt that much of anybody related to the DOT standard does much coordination with anybody at all. I can't say the DOT standard is meaningless. There are lots of helmets (maybe I should say beanie lids) out there that won't meet it: thus the need for fake DOT stickers at your favorite Sturgis vendor.

    I look for the ECE approval. I think it is the most meaningful. YMMV
    Over in the medical R&D world, there's been several research papers on MC injuries and helmets around the world. On paper from California, broke the injuries down by helmet type. The over 50 crowd in their beanie lids (Pappys seem to prefer beanies) were well represented in the statistics. Apparently, old and stupid is a lot more common than old and wise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 36654 View Post
    Over in the medical R&D world, there's been several research papers on MC injuries and helmets around the world. On paper from California, broke the injuries down by helmet type. The over 50 crowd in their beanie lids (Pappys seem to prefer beanies) were well represented in the statistics. Apparently, old and stupid is a lot more common than old and wise.
    Among those who crash at least.
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    Riding On A Motorcycle With Your Dog

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    Snell Foundaion Says New FIM Helment Standards Increase Risk of Head Injuries

    A letter from Dr. Daniel J. Thomas, M.D., M.P.H., President, Snell Foundation Board of Directors, to FIM President Jorge Viegas, as posted on www.smf.org.

    This letter is written with regard to the FIM Racing Homologations Programs for helmets used in FIM events. We are grateful that Snell Certification is accepted as one of the several alternative prerequisite requirements for the helmet models submitted for FIM homologation. Even so, the FRHPhe#01 performance and test standard criteria combine to block most if not all current Snell M2015 certified helmets from the FIM program. Meeting both the Snell M2015 and the FRHPhe#01 impact requirements would necessitate substantially larger, heavier helmets but Snell M2015 already calls for as much helmet as riders might reasonably be expected to wear. The industry can reasonably meet either standard but not both. We are working to resolve this problem with FRHPhe#01 but if FRHPhe#02 is put into effect, there may be no good solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildbears View Post
    Helmet Safety

    Snell Foundaion Says New FIM Helment Standards Increase Risk of Head Injuries

    A letter from Dr. Daniel J. Thomas, M.D., M.P.H., President, Snell Foundation Board of Directors, to FIM President Jorge Viegas, as posted on www.smf.org.
    https://www.smf.org/docs/media/Roadr...adInjuries.pdf
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