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    Yes, Omega Man Sometimes engineers think they have all the answers in construction.They need to do some installations to come up with better solutions. A lot of times the people in the field have to redesign their stuff to make it work.
    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadioFlyer View Post
    Could well be but there is no reasonable expectation that an F-bike owner would know that and even if you did what tool would the F-bike require to remove the second plug (it isn't visible)?

    Now you're in the know (works the same on F850 and probably the F900)....and not my write up, but appears accurate enough...


    BMW F750GS OIL CHANGE

    BMW Recommended Oil: BMW Motorrad ADVANTEC ULTIMATE Original BMW Engine Oil 5W-40 Synthetic Engine Oil (3 Liters).

    1 x 16mm OEM Copper Crush Ring (BMW Stock # 07 11 9 963 252) Note: Replace Every Oil Change.

    1 x OEM Oil Filter (BMW Stock # 11 42 7 721 779) Note: The Short Oil Filter Is Replaced By A Long Oil Filter During The Running In Check.

    Note: As An Alternative You May Choose To Use Any Engine Oil That Meets The Following Standard: SAE 5W-40 API SL/JASO MA2.

    Step 1: Remove M16x1.5 Drain Plug Using A T50 Torx Socket And Drain The Oil.

    Step 2: Remove Sealing Ring (Copper Crush Ring).

    Step 3: Remove The M10x1 Oil Filler Plug Using A 5mm Hexagon Socket And Drain The Oil. Note: This Plug Is Directly Above The Main Drain Plug And Must Be Removed To Drain All Of The Engine Oil.

    Step 4: Remove The Oil Filter (Long Oil Filter Wrench BM Stock # 11 4 650)

    Note: The Short Oil Filter Is Replaced By A Long Oil Filter During The Running In Check. (Short Oil Filter Wrench BMW Stock # 11 4 661).

    Step 5: Clean The Oil Filter Sealing Face And Lubricate With Clean Engine Oil.

    Step 6: Install New Oil Filter Using Oil Filter Wrench # 11 4 650 (Torque To 11Nm or 8.11 ft-lb).

    Step 7: Install The M10x1 Oil Filler Plug Using A 5mm Hexagon Socket (Torque To 10Nm or 7.37 ft-lb).

    Step 8: Install The M16x1.5 Drain Plug With New Sealing Ring (Copper Crush Ring) Using A T50 Torx Socket (Torque To 25Nm or 18.43 ft-lb).

    Step 9: Remove The Oil Dipstick And Fill The Engine With Engine Oil (Engine Oil Capacity With Filter Change Is Approximately 3.0 Liters. Engine Oil Capacity Without Filter Change Is Approximately 2.7 Liters).

    Step 10: Install The Oil Dipstick And Run Motorcycle For Approximately 30 Seconds To Allow Oil To Circulate Then Turn Off The Motorcycle And Add Remaining Oil. Remove The Oil Dip To Check The Oil In Accordance With The Owner’s Manual.

    Note: (From Owner’s Manual)

    * Only Check The Oil Level After A Longer Journey Or When The Engine Is Warm.

    * Wipe The Area Around The Oil Filler Opening Clean.

    * Allow The Engine To Idle Until The Fan Starts Up, Then Allow It To Idle One Minute Longer.

    * Switch Off The Engine.

    * Make Sure Ground Is Level And Firm And Hold Motorcycle At Operating Temperature Vertically (With Center Stand).

    * Wait Five Minutes To Allow Oil To Drain Into The Oil Pan.

    * Remove Oil Level Dipstick And Clean Measuring Range With A Dry Cloth.

    * Fit The Oil Level Dipstick Onto The Oil Filler Opening, However Do Not Screw It In.

    * Remove The Oil Level Dipstick And Check Oil Level (Oil Level Should Be Between The MIN and MAX Marks). Note: Difference Between MIN and MAX Marks Is 0.5 Liters Of Oil.

    * Re-Install The Oil Dipstick When Complete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motodan View Post
    Now you're in the know (works the same on F850 and probably the F900)....and not my write up, but appears accurate enough...


    BMW F750GS OIL CHANGE etc.
    I had seen that on the F850GS.com site as well. A fine example of owners stepping in to fill the service information void.

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    I would be temped to buy the modified K1600 plug if it's the correct size.

    Both the K1600 and F850 have the same upper drain plug.
    M10x8 and the same part numbers.

    The F900 and F850 probably have the same upper drain plug.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motodan View Post
    Now you're in the know (works the same on F850 and probably the F900)....and not my write up, but appears accurate enough...


    BMW F750GS OIL CHANGE

    BMW Recommended Oil: BMW Motorrad ADVANTEC ULTIMATE Original BMW Engine Oil 5W-40 Synthetic Engine Oil (3 Liters).

    1 x 16mm OEM Copper Crush Ring (BMW Stock # 07 11 9 963 252) Note: Replace Every Oil Change.

    1 x OEM Oil Filter (BMW Stock # 11 42 7 721 779) Note: The Short Oil Filter Is Replaced By A Long Oil Filter During The Running In Check.

    Note: As An Alternative You May Choose To Use Any Engine Oil That Meets The Following Standard: SAE 5W-40 API SL/JASO MA2.

    Step 1: Remove M16x1.5 Drain Plug Using A T50 Torx Socket And Drain The Oil.

    Step 2: Remove Sealing Ring (Copper Crush Ring).

    Step 3: Remove The M10x1 Oil Filler Plug Using A 5mm Hexagon Socket And Drain The Oil. Note: This Plug Is Directly Above The Main Drain Plug And Must Be Removed To Drain All Of The Engine Oil.

    Step 4: Remove The Oil Filter (Long Oil Filter Wrench BM Stock # 11 4 650)

    Note: The Short Oil Filter Is Replaced By A Long Oil Filter During The Running In Check. (Short Oil Filter Wrench BMW Stock # 11 4 661).

    Step 5: Clean The Oil Filter Sealing Face And Lubricate With Clean Engine Oil.

    Step 6: Install New Oil Filter Using Oil Filter Wrench # 11 4 650 (Torque To 11Nm or 8.11 ft-lb).

    Step 7: Install The M10x1 Oil Filler Plug Using A 5mm Hexagon Socket (Torque To 10Nm or 7.37 ft-lb).

    Step 8: Install The M16x1.5 Drain Plug With New Sealing Ring (Copper Crush Ring) Using A T50 Torx Socket (Torque To 25Nm or 18.43 ft-lb).

    Step 9: Remove The Oil Dipstick And Fill The Engine With Engine Oil (Engine Oil Capacity With Filter Change Is Approximately 3.0 Liters. Engine Oil Capacity Without Filter Change Is Approximately 2.7 Liters).

    Step 10: Install The Oil Dipstick And Run Motorcycle For Approximately 30 Seconds To Allow Oil To Circulate Then Turn Off The Motorcycle And Add Remaining Oil. Remove The Oil Dip To Check The Oil In Accordance With The Owner’s Manual.

    Note: (From Owner’s Manual)

    * Only Check The Oil Level After A Longer Journey Or When The Engine Is Warm.

    * Wipe The Area Around The Oil Filler Opening Clean.

    * Allow The Engine To Idle Until The Fan Starts Up, Then Allow It To Idle One Minute Longer.

    * Switch Off The Engine.

    * Make Sure Ground Is Level And Firm And Hold Motorcycle At Operating Temperature Vertically (With Center Stand).

    * Wait Five Minutes To Allow Oil To Drain Into The Oil Pan.

    * Remove Oil Level Dipstick And Clean Measuring Range With A Dry Cloth.

    * Fit The Oil Level Dipstick Onto The Oil Filler Opening, However Do Not Screw It In.

    * Remove The Oil Level Dipstick And Check Oil Level (Oil Level Should Be Between The MIN and MAX Marks). Note: Difference Between MIN and MAX Marks Is 0.5 Liters Of Oil.

    * Re-Install The Oil Dipstick When Complete.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Looks like it's easy to lose the drain plug inside the upper sump.
    I would be temped to buy the modified K1600 plug if it's the correct size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadioFlyer View Post
    I had seen that on the F850GS.com site as well. A fine example of owners stepping in to fill the service information void.
    Just part of the value of the forum
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    Looking at the parts fiche the F850 and K1600 have the same upper drain plug.
    Size is M10x8 and the part numbers are the same.
    I'm guessing the F900 plug is the same.

    Here's a picture of the F850 oil pan.
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    So is the idea of the second drain plug, to drain out old oil that would otherwise be trapped in the crankcase sump? In other words, to allow all the used oil to be drained rather than allow half a pint (?? or so) of old oil to remain in the engine?

    If so, it may be a nuisance, but it does seem like a worthy objective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vark View Post
    So is the idea of the second drain plug, to drain out old oil that would otherwise be trapped in the crankcase sump? In other words, to allow all the used oil to be drained rather than allow half a pint (?? or so) of old oil to remain in the engine?

    If so, it may be a nuisance, but it does seem like a worthy objective.
    It may be a "worthy objective" but it still a crappy design. I am, however, reminded that with the 2001 F650 Dakar I owned the first step for an oil change described in the Owners Manual and Repair Manual was, "Remove the left front turn signal." Sometimes the vaunted German engineering is not all it is cracked up to be.

    If the inner sump is needed, a simple ball valve would suffice. "Insert screwdriver or similar special tool . Press upward on ball valve. Watch oil drain."
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    FWIW BMW describes the F850GS oiling thusly:

    "To prevent unwanted churning losses and to ensure maximum operational safety, even under tough offroad conditions, the engine of the new F 750 GS and F 850 GS features dry-sump lubrication, which does not require a separate tank for engine oil. Any oil escaping from the main bearings is collected in a drain that is sealed off from the oil sump.

    In this area, the lubricant is constantly pumped away by the oil pump and transported to the gearbox housing before it runs without pressure into the oil sump. The oil-feed pump then supplies the oil circulation from here. Its great offroad character is reflected in the F 850 GS’s underside protection, which protects the oil sump from any damage."

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    The K1300 was a dry sump engine with a oil tank.
    You drained the oil tank then drained a small about of oil from the oil pan.
    I don't remember how much was held in the pan, maybe 1/4 to 1/2 quart.
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    Wow, has this thread evolved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    The other foum or fora are just plain wrong. It is not true for any current model. I can't prove that now, but since I do have my one year later maintenance CD for our G310 bikes, I am confident time will prove me right. A person needs to be very careful in believing what is read on the internet. THIS POST INCLUDED. But a year from now or so one of us will feel foolish. I am pretty sure it won't be me.
    I take no comfort in the fact that 2 years later what was being reported on other fora turned out to have a basis in fact and indeed BMW did decide to discontinue the provision of service manuals. Adding salt to the wound is that the MOA just accepts this without even making an modicum of honest effort to represent the interests of members for whom this is an important issue.

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    Data mining to find an (almost) three year old thread to kick?

    Must be something helpful you could find for us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadioFlyer View Post
    I take no comfort in the fact that 2 years later what was being reported on other fora turned out to have a basis in fact and indeed BMW did decide to discontinue the provision of service manuals. Adding salt to the wound is that the MOA just accepts this without even making an modicum of honest effort to represent the interests of members for whom this is an important issue.
    I am pretty sure that if a person were to data-mine all of my posts on this Forum over the past 19 years that this isn't the only time that subsequent events have proven me wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RadioFlyer View Post
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