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New F bike models
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RadioFlyer
Right2Repair
I thought I saw here on the forum that the K1600’s had that duel oil plug deal
OM
Could well be but there is no reasonable expectation that an F-bike owner would know that and even if you did what tool would the F-bike require to remove the second plug (it isn't visible)?
I’d have to look at the owners manual. IIRC, the ‘splaination was pretty good on my F800GS. As more and more info was available, I picked the manuals up. I have the BMW maintenance disc.....my least favorite. I have the Haynes manual which is pretty good....think it took a couple of years to become available. I have the Globeriders DVD which is my favorite.
If I put all three together, along with the internet, I’m good to go.
OM
RadioFlyer
Right2Repair
Neither the F800GS nor the F850GS owner's manuals give you anything but how to check oil level, top up the oil and what oil to use.
Like you I have the BMW disc and the Haynes manual. I rely on the former much more than the latter for maintaining our two bikes and I take it along on a USB stick when on trips. I don't have the Globerider DVD but don't feel a need either.
No doubt there will be helpful people who will post videos on YouTube in the fullness of time but I find that many of those are let's say less than ideal.
lee
Debbie's Servant
I thought I saw here on the forum that the K1600’s had that duel oil plug deal
OM
Yep the K1600 has that odd double sump setup.
I hate hearing BMW is using it on other bikes.
Well thank God it isn't the engine! Just that old "sense of pride" thing. Passed that hurdle back in 50's and 60's by riding all that "cheap Jap crap".
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RadioFlyer
Right2Repair
BTW the name of the firm is Loncin.
Thanks for that correction. Yes, Loncin is the correct name for the manufacturer of the chinese engine used in the BMW F750GS, F850GS, and now it seems the F900 models as well.
Bikes, cars, heavy equipment, electronics, boilers (HVAC).........not really owner friendly as far as service goes- anymore. As I’m still involved in a great many “systems”, I can see the commonality between what (has been designed in) is making devices run.
In a recent remodel of a fire station, some “committee” allowed the design and approval of a totally unnecessary 4-pipe HVAC retrofit- and probably spent close to 200K to do it......the bulk of this retrofit was using Trane equipment which is top of the line. I give this example as a view to a “system” that looked wonderful on paper but-
Overly complicated
Invasive to install.
Installation inefficient and difficult.
Installer could not make the room units communicate with the thermostats.
Trane tech advised “wrong” thermostats for application....control valves could have been ruined.
An “appointment” has to be made through the Trane sales department to talk to Trane tech services.
Finally, after months, thermostats can now be used but FCU’s (fan coil units) need to be rewired.
These “advancements” are exceeding experience to work on them and keep the device operating.
On of the benefits of this forum is that there are some real talented mechanics that are willing to exchange information and ideas to not only get through some of this new technology, but keep a 25+ year old bike running- even if the parts are “hand” made.
Celebrate the mechanically inclined, help those that are not.
OM
lee
Debbie's Servant
I found a thread on the K1600 forum where a member sells a modified drain plug.
No idea if it will work on the F900.
https://www.k1600forum.com/forum/bm...-sump-drain-plug-tool-ordering-thread-20.html
No idea if it will work on the F900.
https://www.k1600forum.com/forum/bm...-sump-drain-plug-tool-ordering-thread-20.html
Now you're in the know (works the same on F850 and probably the F900)....and not my write up, but appears accurate enough...
BMW F750GS OIL CHANGE
BMW Recommended Oil: BMW Motorrad ADVANTEC ULTIMATE Original BMW Engine Oil 5W-40 Synthetic Engine Oil (3 Liters).
1 x 16mm OEM Copper Crush Ring (BMW Stock # 07 11 9 963 252) Note: Replace Every Oil Change.
1 x OEM Oil Filter (BMW Stock # 11 42 7 721 779) Note: The Short Oil Filter Is Replaced By A Long Oil Filter During The Running In Check.
Note: As An Alternative You May Choose To Use Any Engine Oil That Meets The Following Standard: SAE 5W-40 API SL/JASO MA2.
Step 1: Remove M16x1.5 Drain Plug Using A T50 Torx Socket And Drain The Oil.
Step 2: Remove Sealing Ring (Copper Crush Ring).
Step 3: Remove The M10x1 Oil Filler Plug Using A 5mm Hexagon Socket And Drain The Oil. Note: This Plug Is Directly Above The Main Drain Plug And Must Be Removed To Drain All Of The Engine Oil.
Step 4: Remove The Oil Filter (Long Oil Filter Wrench BM Stock # 11 4 650)
Note: The Short Oil Filter Is Replaced By A Long Oil Filter During The Running In Check. (Short Oil Filter Wrench BMW Stock # 11 4 661).
Step 5: Clean The Oil Filter Sealing Face And Lubricate With Clean Engine Oil.
Step 6: Install New Oil Filter Using Oil Filter Wrench # 11 4 650 (Torque To 11Nm or 8.11 ft-lb).
Step 7: Install The M10x1 Oil Filler Plug Using A 5mm Hexagon Socket (Torque To 10Nm or 7.37 ft-lb).
Step 8: Install The M16x1.5 Drain Plug With New Sealing Ring (Copper Crush Ring) Using A T50 Torx Socket (Torque To 25Nm or 18.43 ft-lb).
Step 9: Remove The Oil Dipstick And Fill The Engine With Engine Oil (Engine Oil Capacity With Filter Change Is Approximately 3.0 Liters. Engine Oil Capacity Without Filter Change Is Approximately 2.7 Liters).
Step 10: Install The Oil Dipstick And Run Motorcycle For Approximately 30 Seconds To Allow Oil To Circulate Then Turn Off The Motorcycle And Add Remaining Oil. Remove The Oil Dip To Check The Oil In Accordance With The Owner’s Manual.
Note: (From Owner’s Manual)
* Only Check The Oil Level After A Longer Journey Or When The Engine Is Warm.
* Wipe The Area Around The Oil Filler Opening Clean.
* Allow The Engine To Idle Until The Fan Starts Up, Then Allow It To Idle One Minute Longer.
* Switch Off The Engine.
* Make Sure Ground Is Level And Firm And Hold Motorcycle At Operating Temperature Vertically (With Center Stand).
* Wait Five Minutes To Allow Oil To Drain Into The Oil Pan.
* Remove Oil Level Dipstick And Clean Measuring Range With A Dry Cloth.
* Fit The Oil Level Dipstick Onto The Oil Filler Opening, However Do Not Screw It In.
* Remove The Oil Level Dipstick And Check Oil Level (Oil Level Should Be Between The MIN and MAX Marks). Note: Difference Between MIN and MAX Marks Is 0.5 Liters Of Oil.
* Re-Install The Oil Dipstick When Complete.
RadioFlyer
Right2Repair
I had seen that on the F850GS.com site as well. A fine example of owners stepping in to fill the service information void.
lee
Debbie's Servant
I would be temped to buy the modified K1600 plug if it's the correct size.
Both the K1600 and F850 have the same upper drain plug.
M10x8 and the same part numbers.
The F900 and F850 probably have the same upper drain plug.
Both the K1600 and F850 have the same upper drain plug.
M10x8 and the same part numbers.
The F900 and F850 probably have the same upper drain plug.
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So is the idea of the second drain plug, to drain out old oil that would otherwise be trapped in the crankcase sump? In other words, to allow all the used oil to be drained rather than allow half a pint (?? or so) of old oil to remain in the engine?
If so, it may be a nuisance, but it does seem like a worthy objective.
If so, it may be a nuisance, but it does seem like a worthy objective.
pglaves
#13338
It may be a "worthy objective" but it still a crappy design. I am, however, reminded that with the 2001 F650 Dakar I owned the first step for an oil change described in the Owners Manual and Repair Manual was, "Remove the left front turn signal." Sometimes the vaunted German engineering is not all it is cracked up to be.
If the inner sump is needed, a simple ball valve would suffice. "Insert screwdriver or similar special tool
. Press upward on ball valve. Watch oil drain."
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RadioFlyer
Right2Repair
FWIW BMW describes the F850GS oiling thusly:
"To prevent unwanted churning losses and to ensure maximum operational safety, even under tough offroad conditions, the engine of the new F 750 GS and F 850 GS features dry-sump lubrication, which does not require a separate tank for engine oil. Any oil escaping from the main bearings is collected in a drain that is sealed off from the oil sump.
In this area, the lubricant is constantly pumped away by the oil pump and transported to the gearbox housing before it runs without pressure into the oil sump. The oil-feed pump then supplies the oil circulation from here. Its great offroad character is reflected in the F 850 GS’s underside protection, which protects the oil sump from any damage."
"To prevent unwanted churning losses and to ensure maximum operational safety, even under tough offroad conditions, the engine of the new F 750 GS and F 850 GS features dry-sump lubrication, which does not require a separate tank for engine oil. Any oil escaping from the main bearings is collected in a drain that is sealed off from the oil sump.
In this area, the lubricant is constantly pumped away by the oil pump and transported to the gearbox housing before it runs without pressure into the oil sump. The oil-feed pump then supplies the oil circulation from here. Its great offroad character is reflected in the F 850 GS’s underside protection, which protects the oil sump from any damage."
