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Does anyone know when the new F900R and F900XR models will be hitting the dealers? Also, were they exhibited at the New York International motoshow?
Does anyone know when the new F900R and F900XR models will be hitting the dealers? Also, were they exhibited at the New York International motoshow?
2002 R1150R (sold)
2016 BMW F700GS
2021 Royal Enfield Interceptor 650
A big maybe , summertime ? Canada web site has the R but not the XR now. They still list the F800GT too!Originally Posted by lawrencecarlson
Last edited by EUGENE; 12-10-2019 at 04:19 AM.
Are you considering one of the new models as a replacement for your F700GS?
No, I really like my GS, which I bought after an extended test ride (about 900 miles on a rented F700GS on a Northern California tour). It does everything I need it to do really well. If I didn’t already have it though, I would probably be considering the F900XR.
2002 R1150R (sold)
2016 BMW F700GS
2021 Royal Enfield Interceptor 650
Gotcha. I was curious because I am looking for an F650/700GS and was wondering what you might have seen in the F900XR that would cause you to swap.
The new F twins are certainly interesting. But I am still waiting for confirmation as to whether the F900s are using a Chinese Lorcim engine like the F750/850GS models.
From Rider magazine:
”BMW surprised us with two new mid-range models, the 2020 F 900 R and the F 900 XR, both based around a slightly enlarged version of the parallel twin released last year that powers the F 850 GS.“
2002 R1150R (sold)
2016 BMW F700GS
2021 Royal Enfield Interceptor 650
The F850GS uses a chinese designed/built Lorcim engine. “Based on” isn’t exactly definitive, but it does suggest BMW is again sourcing Lorcim engines for these new F900 bikes.
Is there something to infer regarding BMW's engine manufacturing source being Chinese? What might that be?
‘23 R1250GS - ‘22 RE 650 INT
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What I infer is that we have a global economy and most major manufactureres source components from across the globe. Sometimes they get crap. If they do their quality control program sucks. If the design is good and ythe QC is good, desirable stuff can come from many countries.
I am old enough to remember when everything that came from Japan was labeled crap even though it wasn't. Today we seek out those Japanese cameras, electronics, and cars. Today it is India, China, Bangladesh, Taiwan, and others that folks scorn, eventually to their own dismay I predict.
Paul Glaves - "Big Bend", Texas U.S.A
"The greatest challenge to any thinker is stating the problem in a way that will allow a solution." - Bertrand Russell
http://web.bigbend.net/~glaves/
No need to infer anything. I will state it very plainly: Like a lot of people, I don’t want to buy a BMW motorcycle with a chinese designed and built engine from Lorcim.
FWIW I won't consider any new F bike until a service manual is made available to owners.
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I have always seen bike (vehicle) first and a year later manuals- on first year introductions
OM
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2009 F800GS 1994 TW200
On other fora it is said that the service manual only exists online for dealer service staff and not available otherwise and will remain so. One can always hope I suppose but until it happens I will avoid these bikes. I am a firm believer in doing one's own maintenance and repairs wherever possible. Information of this sort should not be withheld from those laying out their hard earned bucks to buy the bike.I have always seen bike (vehicle) first and a year later manuals- on first year introductions
OM
The other foum or fora are just plain wrong. It is not true for any current model. I can't prove that now, but since I do have my one year later maintenance CD for our G310 bikes, I am confident time will prove me right. A person needs to be very careful in believing what is read on the internet. THIS POST INCLUDED. But a year from now or so one of us will feel foolish. I am pretty sure it won't be me.
Paul Glaves - "Big Bend", Texas U.S.A
"The greatest challenge to any thinker is stating the problem in a way that will allow a solution." - Bertrand Russell
http://web.bigbend.net/~glaves/
I am merely reflecting the angst being expressed by owners elsewhere who are finding maintenance frustrating without a service manual. I didn't say what I myself believed. I expressed my conviction not to buy a bike for which no service manual is available. I will have no reason to feel foolish since the manual will either be available and the new F-bikes will be a viable option or it won't and they won't be on my shopping list. You should not engage in personal denigration for no reason.
The new F-bike owners are frustrated because even a simple oil change is proving difficult. Who would have thought that, once you removed the oil plug and oil drained out, there was yet another oil plug directly above of a different size that has to be removed as well by inserting a tool through the first drain hole? Similarly those who have come up to the mileage where a valve clearance check is recommended have no instructions to follow.
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