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    New F bike models

    Does anyone know when the new F900R and F900XR models will be hitting the dealers? Also, were they exhibited at the New York International motoshow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lawrencecarlson View Post
    Does anyone know when the new F900R and F900XR models will be hitting the dealers? Also, were they exhibited at the New York International motoshow?
    A big maybe , summertime ? Canada web site has the R but not the XR now. They still list the F800GT too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lawrencecarlson View Post
    Does anyone know when the new F900R and F900XR models will be hitting the dealers? Also, were they exhibited at the New York International motoshow?
    Are you considering one of the new models as a replacement for your F700GS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vark View Post
    Are you considering one of the new models as a replacement for your F700GS?
    No, I really like my GS, which I bought after an extended test ride (about 900 miles on a rented F700GS on a Northern California tour). It does everything I need it to do really well. If I didnt already have it though, I would probably be considering the F900XR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lawrencecarlson View Post
    No, I really like my GS, which I bought after an extended test ride (about 900 miles on a rented F700GS on a Northern California tour). It does everything I need it to do really well. If I didnt already have it though, I would probably be considering the F900XR.
    Gotcha. I was curious because I am looking for an F650/700GS and was wondering what you might have seen in the F900XR that would cause you to swap.

    The new F twins are certainly interesting. But I am still waiting for confirmation as to whether the F900s are using a Chinese Lorcim engine like the F750/850GS models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vark View Post
    Gotcha. I was curious because I am looking for an F650/700GS and was wondering what you might have seen in the F900XR that would cause you to swap.

    The new F twins are certainly interesting. But I am still waiting for confirmation as to whether the F900s are using a Chinese Lorcim engine like the F750/850GS models.
    From Rider magazine:

    BMW surprised us with two new mid-range models, the 2020 F 900 R and the F 900 XR, both based around a slightly enlarged version of the parallel twin released last year that powers the F 850 GS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lawrencecarlson View Post
    From Rider magazine:

    BMW surprised us with two new mid-range models, the 2020 F 900 R and the F 900 XR, both based around a slightly enlarged version of the parallel twin released last year that powers the F 850 GS.
    The F850GS uses a chinese designed/built Lorcim engine. Based on isnt exactly definitive, but it does suggest BMW is again sourcing Lorcim engines for these new F900 bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vark View Post
    Gotcha. I was curious because I am looking for an F650/700GS and was wondering what you might have seen in the F900XR that would cause you to swap.

    The new F twins are certainly interesting. But I am still waiting for confirmation as to whether the F900s are using a Chinese Lorcim engine like the F750/850GS models.

    Is there something to infer regarding BMW's engine manufacturing source being Chinese? What might that be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motodan View Post
    Is there something to infer regarding BMW's engine manufacturing source being Chinese? What might that be?
    What I infer is that we have a global economy and most major manufactureres source components from across the globe. Sometimes they get crap. If they do their quality control program sucks. If the design is good and ythe QC is good, desirable stuff can come from many countries.

    I am old enough to remember when everything that came from Japan was labeled crap even though it wasn't. Today we seek out those Japanese cameras, electronics, and cars. Today it is India, China, Bangladesh, Taiwan, and others that folks scorn, eventually to their own dismay I predict.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motodan View Post
    Is there something to infer regarding BMW's engine manufacturing source being Chinese? What might that be?
    No need to infer anything. I will state it very plainly: Like a lot of people, I dont want to buy a BMW motorcycle with a chinese designed and built engine from Lorcim.

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    FWIW I won't consider any new F bike until a service manual is made available to owners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadioFlyer View Post
    FWIW I won't consider any new F bike until a service manual is made available to owners.

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    I have always seen bike (vehicle) first and a year later manuals- on first year introductions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Man View Post
    I have always seen bike (vehicle) first and a year later manuals- on first year introductions

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    On other fora it is said that the service manual only exists online for dealer service staff and not available otherwise and will remain so. One can always hope I suppose but until it happens I will avoid these bikes. I am a firm believer in doing one's own maintenance and repairs wherever possible. Information of this sort should not be withheld from those laying out their hard earned bucks to buy the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadioFlyer View Post
    On other fora it is said that the service manual only exists online for dealer service staff and not available otherwise and will remain so. One can always hope I suppose but until it happens I will avoid these bikes. I am a firm believer in doing one's own maintenance and repairs wherever possible. Information of this sort should not be withheld from those laying out their hard earned bucks to buy the bike.
    The other foum or fora are just plain wrong. It is not true for any current model. I can't prove that now, but since I do have my one year later maintenance CD for our G310 bikes, I am confident time will prove me right. A person needs to be very careful in believing what is read on the internet. THIS POST INCLUDED. But a year from now or so one of us will feel foolish. I am pretty sure it won't be me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    The other foum or fora are just plain wrong. It is not true for any current model. I can't prove that now, but since I do have my one year later maintenance CD for our G310 bikes, I am confident time will prove me right. A person needs to be very careful in believing what is read on the internet. THIS POST INCLUDED. But a year from now or so one of us will feel foolish. I am pretty sure it won't be me.
    I am merely reflecting the angst being expressed by owners elsewhere who are finding maintenance frustrating without a service manual. I didn't say what I myself believed. I expressed my conviction not to buy a bike for which no service manual is available. I will have no reason to feel foolish since the manual will either be available and the new F-bikes will be a viable option or it won't and they won't be on my shopping list. You should not engage in personal denigration for no reason.

    The new F-bike owners are frustrated because even a simple oil change is proving difficult. Who would have thought that, once you removed the oil plug and oil drained out, there was yet another oil plug directly above of a different size that has to be removed as well by inserting a tool through the first drain hole? Similarly those who have come up to the mileage where a valve clearance check is recommended have no instructions to follow.

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