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    slugish starting 1996 r1100rt

    My 1996 r1100rt started to have sluggish starts like a week battery. I had 13.65 from the alternator so I assumed it was a week battery. So I replaced the battery and cleaned all the to the starter. After that I have had the same issue where it starts but is sluggish to start. The starter has only 27,000 miles on it. Has anyone had issues with the starter going bad in this way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isleryder View Post
    My 1996 r1100rt started to have sluggish starts like a week battery. I had 13.65 from the alternator so I assumed it was a week battery. So I replaced the battery and cleaned all the to the starter. After that I have had the same issue where it starts but is sluggish to start. The starter has only 27,000 miles on it. Has anyone had issues with the starter going bad in this way?
    Lots of those starters have had problems over the years.. Sometimes it is a magnet that has come loose. There is another issue with a bulkhead breaking which is hard for me to describe.

    Also, I would actually expect to see a charging voltage a bit higher than 13.6.
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    Common problem with earlier Valeo starters.
    There are many threads on the issue, search function will find them.
    Google will find them fast for you.
    MOA and ADV riders threads

    https://www.google.ca/search?sxsrf=A...eqpAiYQ4dUDCAo
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    I have the exact same bike, 96 R1100RT with about 45,000 miles on it, and I have the same problem. Odyssey battery with approx 13 volts coming out, the starter pulls it down to around 8 or 7 when cranking. ABS fault code, of course. Like yours, it really struggles to start the bike on the first start up. When it's warmed up, it starts instantly. I pulled the starter off and had a specialty auto shop test it, they said it was fine, drawing like 10 amps, which I believe is within specs for these Veleo starters. And this guy was familiar with them. As you probably know, from BMW those little guys go for around $500. If I decide to start throwing parts on mine to find the problem, it will definitely be an aftermarket unit for around $100. I wish I could offer an answer to the problem, but to be honest, at this point I'm somewhat disgusted with the whole affair and just put a tarp over the bike till spring. I wish I knew someone close by that still had one of these older models to see if mine is any different, but I can't believe these bikes were designed to just barely crank the engine, which is what mine, and apparently yours, does.

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    The motor should turn over and start quickly. First I would be sure that valve clearances are correct and when was the last time you changed the spark plugs.

    I replaced my original starter about two years ago with a drop in replacement from DB Electrical. Itís about $60, and has been flawless.
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    I see Rik's Motorrad Elektrik has the Nissan Denso starters for Oilheads for $350.

    Anton Largiader has a good review of the Valeo starter issues in his site, which pulls up with the link that GSAddict posted.

    I recall that with my very first BMW, an R100RS, I had to have the (Bosch) starter rebuilt at about 60,000 miles.
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    When I tested the alternator it was at idile. The plugs look fine but I'll change them. I'm going to pull the starter and have a shop by me bench test it.
    Thanks for the input everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isleryder View Post
    When I tested the alternator it was at idile. The plugs look fine but I'll change them. I'm going to pull the starter and have a shop by me bench test it.
    Thanks for the input everyone.
    The real test is under load which won't show up on a bench test.
    At this age/point the starter should be disassembled/inspected/cleaned and components changed as req'd
    I've repaired many. With the symptoms described, the previous sentence is a no brainer for me.

    Note: don't spend too much time or money on the old starter. Fleabay Chinesium knockoffs ones are in the $60 range and actually work quite well.
    The only caveat is internal parts are not available
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    Quote Originally Posted by GSAddict View Post
    The real test is under load which won't show up on a bench test.

    Note: don't spend too much time or money on the old starter. Fleabay Chinesium knockoffs ones are in the $60 range and actually work quite well.
    The only caveat is internal parts are not available
    Reading this thread, I've been convinced to try getting a new starter for my 1100 to solve it's problems. Anyone have an opinion as to which is the best choice: Endorolast for $119, or one from DB Electric for $46.52. I usually believe you get what you pay for, but in this case the opinion seems to be that cheaper is going to work just as well.

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    My starter made a horrible noise, especially when cold. I took it apart and lubed and cleaned it, to no avail.
    I replaced it, and haven't looked back.

    I see you are American, so you get a 30% discount.... this is the one I bought: https://fortnine.ca/en/ricks-motorsp...ctrics-starter

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