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    Brown’s Side Stand Install

    1984 R100. Brown’s stand installed on the bike. Did a push rod seal job, and had to move the exhaust headers which led to removing the nut and bolt holding the front attachment of the stand to the clamp holding the header pipe.

    What is the trick to getting the nut and bolt reinstalled? I can’t seem to get the bolt far enough through the pieces to get the threads to catch on the fastener. I am thinking of going to the hardware store for a slightly longer bolt.
    Michael Stock, Trinity, NC
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    On the right side of the bike, loosen the nut on that same bolt a few threads. Push it through a bit and put the nut on the left side. Tighten them evenly until the nuts mate the same on both sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toooldtocare View Post
    On the right side of the bike, loosen the nut on that same bolt a few threads. Push it through a bit and put the nut on the left side. Tighten them evenly until the nuts mate the same on both sides.
    Thanks, but that's not the bolt I'm referring to. There are two attachments for the Brown side stand. The rear nut/bolt is the through stud that supports the motor and has a nut on both the right and left sides. That stud and nut are what attaches the Brown stand to the frame. No problem getting that nut threaded on. Forward of that nut, there is a 2nd attachment point. This one attaches the side stand to the header pipe to prevent the side stand from rotating on the other stud. That nut is attached to a bolt that goes through the side stand mount and through the pipe clamp on the header. That's the problem one. I can't get the bolt through the stand and clamp enough to grab the threads of the nut.

    Anyone with Brown side stand mounting experience here?

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    It has been awhile since I put one on, but if my memory is right, the front bolt attaches to a machined insert that slips into the stand. If I am right, the front hole is bigger than the bolt, and you need that insert to fill up the slip, or the stand may/will move/rotate.

    I modified mine on my last bike and added a third bolt. I used that bolt, plus the one to the front, to attach it to a straight piece of metal that went to the front engine mount bolt. The next post will shot the photos. I put them here once before, a few years ago.

    Wayne

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    On Snowbum's page, right at the end of the Brown installation pictures, he shows the issue you're dealing with:

    https://bmwmotorcycletech.info/FarleyBrownSurefoot.htm

    Looks like he mentions a 70mm long stud. Is that something that will help your situation?
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    Photos

    Attached are the photos. Note the front bolt, it is an insert in the stand that is threaded. Do you still have it? Note how I drilled a second hole, in the middle. I then moved the exhaust clamp back and used that bolt, and the original bolt in front to mount a piece of steel stock. I then ran that stock to the front engine mount bolt. This way, the stand is suspended by the steel strap, and the two bolts. The stand cannot swivel this way, and the exhaust hanger is mounted solid too. I've seen the stock exhaust hanger crack under use the way Brown engineered it. I've done this modification to two my bikes, my 78 R100RS, and my 95 R100RT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toooldtocare View Post
    I modified mine on my last bike and added a third bolt. I used that bolt, plus the one to the front, to attach it to a straight piece of metal that went to the front engine mount bolt. The next post will shot the photos. I put them here once before, a few years ago.
    Probably this is what you were talking about:

    https://forums.bmwmoa.org/showthread...=1#post1088515

    Ooops! Beat me to it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by toooldtocare View Post
    Attached are the photos. Note the front bolt, it is an insert in the stand that is threaded. Do you still have it? Note how I drilled a second hole, in the middle. I then moved the exhaust clamp back and used that bolt, and the original bolt in front to mount a piece of steel stock. I then ran that stock to the front engine mount bolt. This way, the stand is suspended by the steel strap, and the two bolts. The stand cannot swivel this way, and the exhaust hanger is mounted solid too. I've seen the stock exhaust hanger crack under use the way Brown engineered it. I've done this modification to two my bikes, my 78 R100RS, and my 95 R100RT.
    REALLY GOOD STUFF.....Thanks for the way you help all with your 2K TEXTS. ..……...God bless....Dennis

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    Close the clamp as far as you can by hand, then close it further with needle nose Vice Grip pliers. Slide bolt through, install nut, tighten nut, remove pliers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DennisDarrow View Post
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    Thanks.

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    Stand is Reinstalled

    The forward bolt and special nut is supplied with the Brown stand. It's an SAE 3/8 x 3/4 inch bolt. Trip with it to the local old-time hardware store got me a 3/8 x 1 inch bolt and a wavy washer to add to it. I took the rear mounting nut off (the one attached to the engine mount) and rotated the clamp so it was facing outwards which gave me a good angle to work. Pushed the new .25 inch longer bolt through the mounting arm and the two parts of the clamp and was able to catch the special nut threads. With the clamp attached loosely I rotated the entire mounting arm back and pushed the mount onto the rear engine mounting stud. Tightened the big mounting nut and then the front bolt which pinched the header clamp onto the header. Perfect. Plenty of room for the extra 1/4 inch of bolt.

    Don't pay attention to the grime all over the area. Like I said, push rod seals were leaking, and the oil pressure switch was also leaking. A thorough cleaning will take place soon.

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    Just installed mine a few days ago. No problems at all. Perhaps they are supplying a longer bolt?
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    I found that using the exhaust clamp led to it cracking twice, I ended up making a long bracket to the front engine mount.
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    Glad it is installed. That special nut you referred to is what I called a threaded bushing. It is needed because of the large hole in the exhaust hanger. Hope you like the Brown. I’ve used it on my bikes for years.

    Wayne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toooldtocare View Post
    Glad it is installed. That special nut you referred to is what I called a threaded bushing. It is needed because of the large hole in the exhaust hanger. Hope you like the Brown. I’ve used it on my bikes for years.

    Wayne.
    I love the Brown side stand. It was on this bike, my bike, for 20 years. This was just the first time that I took it off. So installing it back was the challenge.
    Michael Stock, Trinity, NC
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