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    Quote Originally Posted by swall View Post
    The BMW manual is describing the fuel that will work in the engine. EPA rules on what fuel is lawful to use in the engine.
    Lawful is a pretty strong word, it implies some form of enforcement agency is associated with that law. In the case of EPA regs, they may take effect after some complete failure at the local or state level (i.e., the Flint Water supply debacle).

    This past summer, the EPA revised their rules to allow storage of E15 fuel in E10 tanks. Some fear this will lead to higher ethanol concentrations, but the ethanol industry hopes it will aid in the acceptance of E15 by the retailers (i.e., less equipment cost).

    Having disrupted the agricultural commodities markets with their Tariff campaign, the current administration, is using this revised regulation as a price support to offset the Tariff impacts. In blunt terms, the same choice would been made without Tariffs. The US Ag industry wants the market and several mid-western states are dependent on the farm income. It's the same situation with Coal producers demanding relaxed environmental standards to prevent power plant conversion to NG. KY, WV and parts of other states are dependent on the coal income and want to skew the market.

    To me this is actually quite hilarious. Prior to the last election, the AMA was all excited about the ethanol issue. Their candidate was going to end all this..... Three years later, the AMA is silent and their candidate is pushing E15. Of course, Washington will do what's needed to preserve the Ag industry, we can't change that. However, I do feel it's important to identify the hypocrisy and bias of the AMA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wbrownell9 View Post
    the R1250's can use E15 once it becomes available, as it surely will.

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    I didn't pay attention to when it first showed up but I would guess it's been available for at least a year.
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    First saw it in tiny print on a four grade pump in ND couple weeks back. Had to stop and read each grade sticker. The last on the right said no ethanol. First on Left said E15. Two in the middle, forgot. Some states it's illegal to use pure in anything except classic, motor boats and lawn/ slash commercial equipment. Arm of the law working for da people, common welfare through better bureaucracy.

    Is there an actual discussion/debate coming up in the near future? So da people can have some idea how this creates NO climate change? Or global warming? Inquiring minds want to know. Enviro-virtue signaling linking to Religio/shamanism. How far will this progress? Goals keep changing. Like Lucy and Charlie Brown. Here's the ball, now you see it, now you don't. Pay up. Don't forget to pat yerself on yer back.

    AFAIK the AMA is the only motorcycle association having ever said anything about E15. I get AMA emails informing what's going on. In general, motorcyclists are not involved in this political football beyond criticizing each other for politicizing it??? In general, everyone except motorcyclists are politically organized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8ninety8 View Post
    Some states it's illegal to use pure in anything except classic, motor boats and lawn/ slash commercial equipment. .
    Never heard that one.
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    I don't like how this company labels the E15 pump. The 88 is E15.

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    AFAIK, MN is one of those states (Classic and such) and it goes back to the nineties when the law was enacted. I called my reps many times about going all in ethanol. As did boat owners etc. Today you can find pure gas pumps stating the law, "For classic cars etc.". Don't know the penalty as I haven't got a ticket for filling up my older 150, cuz I don't drive it much these days. Probably a couple hunnerd bucks. We get the regs we deserve. And we deserve exactly what we are unaware of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8ninety8 View Post
    First saw it in tiny print on a four grade pump in ND couple weeks back. Had to stop and read each grade sticker. The last on the right said no ethanol. First on Left said E15. Two in the middle, forgot. Some states it's illegal to use pure in anything except classic, motor boats and lawn/ slash commercial equipment. Arm of the law working for da people, common welfare through better bureaucracy.

    Is there an actual discussion/debate coming up in the near future? So da people can have some idea how this creates NO climate change? Or global warming? Inquiring minds want to know. Enviro-virtue signaling linking to Religio/shamanism. How far will this progress? Goals keep changing. Like Lucy and Charlie Brown. Here's the ball, now you see it, now you don't. Pay up. Don't forget to pat yerself on yer back.

    AFAIK the AMA is the only motorcycle association having ever said anything about E15. I get AMA emails informing what's going on. In general, motorcyclists are not involved in this political football beyond criticizing each other for politicizing it??? In general, everyone except motorcyclists are politically organized.
    Read your middle paragragh.........You're blaming a group of people that didn't make the change.

    The current administration delivered a big wad of pork to the Ag. Industry and you're rambling on about climate change. Same misguided AMA talking points.......blah, blah, blah, Climate Change........blah, blah, blah, Climate Change, but never a word about the Midwest dependence on growing corn to produce ethanol. If the AMA wants to be serious, don't pander with talk radio dribble, but deal with the economics of our Midwest states. Ethanol is in our fuel because the Midwest needs the money. And, as those states continue to lose population and age, they'll need even more money...........so, higher ethanol blends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    I don't like how this company labels the E15 pump. The 88 is E15.

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    Hmmmmm....your bike requires 89 AKI. Which did you choose?

    In my area, E15 is always 88 AKI and usually 5-cents per gallon cheaper. Rarely, does the price difference account for the difference in BTU's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 36654 View Post
    Hmmmmm....your bike requires 89 AKI. Which did you choose?
    The outside pumps at this station have 91 AKI no ethanol.
    At home I always fill with the bikes with 91 no ethanol.
    On trips if the pump does not show the option of no ethanol I fill with 89.

    89 has been disappearing in this area. We only have one station in town with 89 and it has 10% ethanol in it.
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    Have not seen these pumps in the PNW yet. My f 800ST takes 89.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8ninety8 View Post
    AFAIK, MN is one of those states (Classic and such) and it goes back to the nineties when the law was enacted. I called my reps many times about going all in ethanol. As did boat owners etc. Today you can find pure gas pumps stating the law, "For classic cars etc.". Don't know the penalty as I haven't got a ticket for filling up my older 150, cuz I don't drive it much these days. Probably a couple hunnerd bucks. We get the regs we deserve. And we deserve exactly what we are unaware of.
    That's interesting as Pure Gas locator shows lots of non ethanol gas stations throughout the state. Here are just the cities beginning with letter A that have such gas stations. Sorry it's jumbled but ya get the idea. Must be an awful lot of classics bikes, lawn mowers and other limited models running around in the snow to keep all those pumps active. See here...https://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=MN

    Here's a statement from the MN Sec. 239.791 Statute

    ...(d) The pump stands must be posted with a permanent notice stating: "NONOXYGENATED GASOLINE. FOR USE IN COLLECTOR VEHICLES OR VEHICLES ELIGIBLE TO BE LICENSED AS COLLECTOR VEHICLES, OFF-ROAD VEHICLES, MOTORCYCLES, BOATS, SNOWMOBILES, OR SMALL ENGINES ONLY."

    Now how does one read this? I would read it that collector vehicles or those that can be licensed as collectors vehicles OR OFF-ROAD VEHICLES, MOTORCYCLES, BOATS, SNOWMOBILES, OR SMALL ENGINES ONLY. So I'd say motorcycles, regardless of collectors or not can use said posted gas. I''m not a lawyer, but I did sleep in a bed last night...and want my engine to have a good healthy life. Will the gas station attendant arrest me if I'm wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    The outside pumps at this station have 91 AKI no ethanol.
    At home I always fill with the bikes with 91 no ethanol.
    On trips if the pump does not show the option of no ethanol I fill with 89.

    89 has been disappearing in this area. We only have one station in town with 89 and it has 10% ethanol in it.
    Our gas is E10 with one convenience store chain offering E15 on a few pumps. E85 is rarely found. Non-ethanol can be found in a few areas north of I-80 and west of I-81. I wont pay the rather steep price difference for Non-ethanol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 36654 View Post
    Our gas is E10 with one convenience store chain offering E15 on a few pumps. E85 is rarely found. Non-ethanol can be found in a few areas north of I-80 and west of I-81. I wont pay the rather steep price difference for Non-ethanol.
    I'll pay the higher price when storing for the winter. Filled up last week in northern Indiana, 90 octane was $3.29.
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    Ethanol Scares Me

    I guess if BMW says that burning E85 won't hurt the bike, then I'll believe them. But I don't want to leave any in it any longer than absolutely necessary. This Youtube guy may seem a little bit weird, but he seems to do interesting and thorough tests. This one is scary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvS_D4_lF5U

    So, even if you use that Ethanol storage stuff, it doesn't appear to be safe.
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    So I posted, MN has pure gas pumps. I use them. There are restrictions. As noted. The law passed in 1997. Restrictions are supposedly posted on a plaque on the pump. AFAIK, motorcycles are not restricted. So a lot of pure gas is sold where available. Summer more than winter.

    This probably because a lot of people called their legislator. As I remember there was a kerfuffle when this was discussed. Which is what should happen with every change. Good on our then legislators for their MN common sense.

    I didn't know that my '84KRS could be filled up, until I read the law. Thought it was too new an old bike. Maybe I'll get collector plates. But there are laws about collector plates too.

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