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    Quote Originally Posted by wachuko View Post
    Did not have the pleasure of riding a 700.... but this 850 is top heavy... and I know that I have the GSA, but even with a nearly empty tank this sucker is top heavy...
    That’s an interesting datapoint, thanks.

    Given how many various seat and suspension height permutations are available in these models, it does seem a bit of a stretch for BMW to claim to have achieved “improved center of gravity” across the board. The extra height and fuel capacity of the GSA models, for instance, would certainly create a very different cog calculation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wachuko View Post
    Did not have the pleasure of riding a 700.... but this 850 is top heavy... and I know that I have the GSA, but even with a nearly empty tank this sucker is top heavy...
    I took an F750 out for about an hour demo ride. It felt substantially more top heavy and less agile than my 700. In fact, it felt very similar to my R1150R, which I guess should not be surprising since they weigh about the same (my 1150 with Akrapovic can is actually a little lighter.) That’s not to say that the 750 isn’t a nice bike, but you have to wonder if it was a good idea to make the new “middleweight” as heavy as an open class machine from the same manufacturer.
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    While we know manufacturer's claimed wet weights* are usually found in the Fiction Section, the relative difference should a good guide:

    F700GS - 460 2011 model on (2008-2010 F650 listed @ 436)
    F800 GS - 456
    F800 GSA - 505
    F750 GS - 494
    F850 GS - 505
    F850 GSA - 540
    R 1150 R - 524
    R1250 GS - 549
    R1250 GSA - 591

    Start adding hand guards / bash plate/ engine guards / windshield / luggage racks etc etc etc and the real world weight to Vark's point would be pretty different not only in total weight but in distribution.


    * my apologies to everyone outside of the US and Liberia and Burma for not using a more logical system of measurement.

    edit: sorry Burkino Faso-ians
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    Quote Originally Posted by ackme View Post
    While we know manufacturer's claimed wet weights* are usually found in the Fiction Section, the relative difference should a good guide:

    F700GS - 460 2011 model on (2008-2010 F650 listed @ 436)
    F800 GS - 456
    F800 GSA - 505
    F750 GS - 494
    F850 GS - 505
    F850 GSA - 540
    R 1150 R - 524
    R1250 GS - 549
    R1250 GSA - 591

    Start adding hand guards / bash plate/ engine guards / windshield / luggage racks etc etc etc and the real world weight to Vark's point would be pretty different not only in total weight but in distribution.


    * my apologies to everyone outside of the US and Burkino Faso for not using a more logical system of measurement.
    Let me help by putting things in a useable format...

    F700GS - 32 Stone
    F800 GS - 32 Stone
    F800 GSA - 36 Stone
    F750 GS - 35 Stone
    F850 GS - 36 Stone
    F850 GSA - 38 Stone
    R 1150 R - 37 Stone
    R1250 GS - 39 Stone
    R1250 GSA - 42 Stone
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    Kevin , I like mine 37 stones or less.
    Is this going to be a long winter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by akbeemer View Post
    Let me help by putting things in a useable format...

    F700GS - 32 Stone
    F800 GS - 32 Stone
    F800 GSA - 36 Stone
    F750 GS - 35 Stone
    F850 GS - 36 Stone
    F850 GSA - 38 Stone
    R 1150 R - 37 Stone
    R1250 GS - 39 Stone
    R1250 GSA - 42 Stone
    There you go.

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    I had an F800GT but have ridden a 700 and both the new ones several times.The engine character on the new twins is vastly improved over the 700/800. Much more lively, quick to rev, better sound, etc. The difference between old and new feels like a lot more than 5 hp, whether you're comparing the 700/750 or 800/850. The new F750GS is a really nice bike. Almost bought one myself.
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    BMW claims 77 hp for the F750 vs. 75 hp for the F700. Given the substantially increased avoirdupois of the 750, there is likely no meaningful difference in the engine performance between the two — not that it really matters anyway. With its 270 degree firing interval, the 750 does “feel” different, but I personally prefer the 700 in that respect. And although it might not matter to most here, I want my European motorcycle to be powered by a European engine. YMMV.
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    Finally what this comes down to if you don't want or need Dyamic ESA, TFT, GPS or the Wonder Wheel then you get a 3 stone lighter machine. That is 42 to 45 pounds for us, Americans. Okay?

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    I can't offer any direct experience with the 700 vs 750, but if the difference is as remarkable as that between the 800 and 850, then the 750 is the better machine by far.

    All the talk about total weight and center of gravity are not really catching the truth of the difference. I went from an 09 F800GS with a Camel tank, luggage and a bunch of other add-ons which made it pretty much as heavy as my new F850GSA. The fuel tank being under the seat seems like it should make the bikes mass lower and therefore handle better. The reality is though it tended to make the bike tail heavy, even more so with a full luggage pack. The result was a perpetually light feeling front end that had a tendency to feel a bit loose at times. The 850 is so much more steady at highway speeds and seems more stable in rougher terrain too. Numbers alone don't tell the full story.
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