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    K1600 GTL Transmission Recall

    I heard this morning that BMW is recalling the K1600 GTL transmission. Has anyone else heard anything about this?

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    No recalls listed here:

    https://forums.bmwmoa.org/showthread...Recall-Notices

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    Got the recall letter

    Yep. No parts available at this time.

    From the NHTSA site:
    On July 16, 2018, BMW became aware of an incident in Germany involving a Model Year 2018 BMW K 1600B. The rider indicated that at approximately 40mph, the rear wheel became blocked; however, this did not result in a crash. It was initially thought that the transmission could be involved.
    The transmission was returned for analysis and the supplier was contacted. Parts were examined, supplier records were reviewed, and a technical analysis was performed. However, a root cause could not be determined, and it was thought that this incident could have been an isolated case.
    On September 2, 2019, an incident in Poland was reported involving a Model Year 2018 BMW K 1600GT. The rider indicated that the rear wheel became blocked. The motorcycle was involved in a crash, and the rider experienced a minor injury.
    The transmission was returned for analysis and the supplier was contacted. An engineering review was performed, and supplier records were examined. Attention was focused upon the supplier production process. The review concluded that certain transmission parts may not have been produced to sufficient specifications, specifically, to an appropriate hardness level.
    On September 24th, a third incident in Belgium was reported involving a Model Year 2018 BMW K 1600B. The rider indicated that the rear wheel became blocked, although it did not result

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    Update

    Just heard from my dealer that parts will be sent out to dealers at the end of December and arriving by first of year. Better later than never I guess.

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    For the more technical minded in the audience, BMW's service bulletin describing the repair procedures for this recall has been posted on the NHTSA website at:

    https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/201...9V692-5659.pdf.

    One interesting fact is that some motorcycles will only need to have one of the shift forks replaced, while others will need the freewheeling 6th gear, 5/6 selector sleeve and shift fork replaced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pearl54 View Post
    Yep. No parts available at this time.

    From the NHTSA site:
    On July 16, 2018, BMW became aware of an incident in Germany involving a Model Year 2018 BMW K 1600B. The rider indicated that at approximately 40mph, the rear wheel became blocked; however, this did not result in a crash. It was initially thought that the transmission could be involved.
    The transmission was returned for analysis and the supplier was contacted. Parts were examined, supplier records were reviewed, and a technical analysis was performed. However, a root cause could not be determined, and it was thought that this incident could have been an isolated case.
    On September 2, 2019, an incident in Poland was reported involving a Model Year 2018 BMW K 1600GT. The rider indicated that the rear wheel became blocked. The motorcycle was involved in a crash, and the rider experienced a minor injury.
    The transmission was returned for analysis and the supplier was contacted. An engineering review was performed, and supplier records were examined. Attention was focused upon the supplier production process. The review concluded that certain transmission parts may not have been produced to sufficient specifications, specifically, to an appropriate hardness level.
    On September 24th, a third incident in Belgium was reported involving a Model Year 2018 BMW K 1600B. The rider indicated that the rear wheel became blocked, although it did not result
    This somewhat mirrors the rear strut debacle on newly introduced 2014 R1200RT bikes. They also had a DON'T RIDE bulletin. Oh BMW, where art thou QC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pearl54 View Post

    The transmission was returned for analysis and the supplier was contacted. An engineering review was performed, and supplier records were examined. Attention was focused upon the supplier production process. The review concluded that certain transmission parts may not have been produced to sufficient specifications, specifically, to an appropriate hardness level.
    It seems that supplier problems and the related "disconnect" are part of the new "global economy".

    Quote Originally Posted by Motodan View Post
    This somewhat mirrors the rear strut debacle on newly introduced 2014 R1200RT bikes. They also had a DON'T RIDE bulletin. Oh BMW, where art thou QC?
    BMW QC seems to run on the faith that their chosen suppliers are going to operate to BMW standards.

    BMW isn't the only one suffering from this problem.........Takata airbags comes to mind.

    I wonder if all the Airhead pasts were manufactured in house- pre GE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Man View Post
    It seems that supplier problems and the related "disconnect" are part of the new "global economy".


    BMW QC seems to run on the faith that their chosen suppliers are going to operate to BMW standards.

    BMW isn't the only one suffering from this problem.........Takata airbags comes to mind.

    I wonder if all the Airhead pasts were manufactured in house- pre GE.

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    According to the paperwork BMW filed with NHTSA, the supplier is American Axle and Manufacturing, headquartered in Detroit but with subsidiaries around the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Man View Post
    It seems that supplier problems and the related "disconnect" are part of the new "global economy".


    BMW QC seems to run on the faith that their chosen suppliers are going to operate to BMW standards.

    BMW isn't the only one suffering from this problem.........Takata airbags comes to mind.

    I wonder if all the Airhead pasts were manufactured in house- pre GE.

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    This is the new way of manufacturing. Suppliers are certified for Quality and it is their responsibility to make sure what they supplies meets BMW standards. I work in automotive manufacturing and this is how it is now done. If American Axle is found to have made the defective part then they will be getting a hefty bill from BMW for the repair of these bikes. This is the incentive to make sure you are shipping conforming material.

    I've been on the bad side of this a couple of times. It will not be fun for American Axle, but they are a major competitor to us, so I'm smiling a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlheck View Post
    This is the new way of manufacturing. Suppliers are certified for Quality and it is their responsibility to make sure what they supplies meets BMW standards. I work in automotive manufacturing and this is how it is now done. If American Axle is found to have made the defective part then they will be getting a hefty bill from BMW for the repair of these bikes. This is the incentive to make sure you are shipping conforming material.
    The bill will only be as large as BMW (or for that matter, any other mfg) decides to make it by honoring warranty claims. The problem is that many of these types of defects (like final drive failures, for instance), even tho they are directly a result of a QC problem somewhere in the chain, do not present themselves until the bike is out of warranty by time or mileage. Id be willing to bet that the agreements with the parts suppliers contain a clause limiting their responsibility to the duration of the warranty issued to the consumer by the manufacturer; BMW in this case. So if those whose failures present after the warranty period or miles expire get any relief from BMW it will be on BMWs dime. That in turn raises the question of what happens if the defect begins to surface late and widely: legal action to force the supplier to step up, contract re-opening and renegotiation, or ???

    Those supplier contracts would make interesting reading, Im sure.

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    The description of this issue makes one wonder if there might be a similar issue with some possibly-faulty cam lobes in recent Wetheads. Unfortunately, these seem to be discovered after the 3-year warranty has expired.
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    Since this is a recall, warranty time limits don't apply. The Mercedes dealership where my daughter works had a 1970s SL come in two years ago for a decades old recall. Mercedes still had the kit earmarked for that VIN in a warehouse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Man View Post
    It seems that supplier problems and the related "disconnect" are part of the new "global economy".


    BMW QC seems to run on the faith that their chosen suppliers are going to operate to BMW standards.

    BMW isn't the only one suffering from this problem.........Takata airbags comes to mind.

    I wonder if all the Airhead pasts were manufactured in house- pre GE.

    OM
    This is going back some, but who supplied those infamous snowflake wheels?
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