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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    That old quarterly report, you know.
    I don't think you understand what I am talking about.

    ... and we are way OT.

    Here is a link that explains the basics. We are a long way from relying on renewables to sustain a base load. This does not mean that it will never happen and/or we should not be investing in such a direction, it simply reflects the reality of the power generation/distribution/consumption enterprise today and for the foreseeable future.

    And you better hope for a profitable power industry, their stocks are probably owned by your pension fund. I know that I have invested in them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visian View Post
    I don't think you understand what I am talking about.
    Actually, while not there yet, base load is the easy part for renewables to cover.

    And using corn squeezings to reduce mpg of vehicles while using more energy to produce than provided by the burning is a horrible waste of precious energy. (Back on topic)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BC1100S View Post
    You're talking about "social licence". Unfortunately that's a fiction of some creative people's mind.

    With some folks, you won't get the first syllable of the word fracking out of your mouth before their head explodes.

    Note: I'm not making an argument for or against oil or natural gas. My comment applies equally to these as well as hydro, wind farm, solar, nuclear, etc.
    You'll always have those folks on both sides of the argument. However, if you institute the proper safeguards, the majority of rational folks will support a project.
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    And part of the equation has to be efforts to contain or reduce the base load. More and better insulation, higher efficiency appliances and equipment, etc. That includes increasingly higher fuel economy requirements, which apparently cause consternation in some segments of our society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visian View Post
    I don't think you understand what I am talking about.

    ... and we are way OT.

    Here is a link that explains the basics. We are a long way from relying on renewables to sustain a base load. This does not mean that it will never happen and/or we should not be investing in such a direction, it simply reflects the reality of the power generation/distribution/consumption enterprise today and for the foreseeable future.

    And you better hope for a profitable power industry, their stocks are probably owned by your pension fund. I know that I have invested in them.
    Define profitable power industry? The power generator, the distribution company or the folks that build equipment. For the most part, the company we own stock in is the distribution company.

    The Base load argument is real but often co-opted by Nuclear and Coal power generator seeking subsidies. The Coal stockpile concept is my favorite bending of logic to avoid direct competition with the NG power generators. Nuclear is purely an economics issue as demonstrated by Vogtle. Cost over runs, very reminiscent of the plant builds in the 1970's, have been so bad.......Toshiba could only escape corporate bankruptcy by selling/liquidating Westinghouse/Stone&Webster/Chicago Bridge & Iron to some consortium which appears to be the owners of Vogtle. In the case of existing Nukes, the issue is how many extensions on operating life can companies like Exelon get before the plants are deemed too old.

    If you want to track the profit, follow the distribution companies. Just like the NG pipeline or Railroads (Coal) owners, they own the means of transport. The producers (Drillers, Coal mining or Power generators) are working in a world of rapidly declining profitability.

    BTW-Thanks for posting a link from my Alma meter and former employer
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    I thought we were discussing E-15 gasoline here?

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    To discuss e15 or anything connected to power, fuel, electricity, the whole ball of wax, starting with global warming, environmentalism, all the crises thereof, has to be discussed. But it's political, ergo, it can't be discussed. E15 is so far past what motorcyclists think. We've been conditioned. When the UN gets lectured by children, you know there's a problem in river city.

    We think the weather can be controlled by not putting good gas in motorcycles? Bikes should have been exempted when all this stuff got legislated. The big players still would have got their cash. Bureaucrats could still have had their coffee and doughnuts, politicians would still be at the trough. And the few bikes on we see on the road would be happy. So have it. Try to figger out something that left the barn forty years ago. Without discussing the politics.

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    Ethanol in fuel damages and/or destroys some parts in some BMW motorcycles. E15 will be worse than E10. That is not political. It is simply a physically observable fact. I don't like that fact. I don't like destroyed K75 fuel systems or dissolved carb diaphrams and fuel lines. That is not political. That is a fact. This is a technology issue. Not a political issue. The fact that politicians are responsible does not make this a political issue. Or, we have no business discussing toll roads, speed limits, highway construction, road maintenance, wildlife warning signs, and a whole plethora of other motorcycle related topics under the direct or indirect control of politicians.
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    Gas

    Yes Paul. We are talking about ethanol to my motorcycle ,boat if I had one ,chainsaw and lawn equipment and what this E-15 will do to them. I agree with you.

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    Google 'history of ethanol mandates and politics.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by ncpbmw1953 View Post
    Check out ZapGo the UK company developing carbon-based batteries. The article I read said their current models charge ONE HUNDRED times faster than Li ion, cannot catch fire, are recyclable, and I believe I read would give electric cars (presumably of some average type) 350m range with a full charge in UNDER FIVE MINUTES. This is exactly what is needed to move EV's to become uber practical. You simply install charging stations at existing fossil fuel filling stations for the long transition period and you're good to go. This is exactly what the EV sector needs to really take off.
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    So my auto is a 2010 says no E-15. Will stations be selling E-10 too?

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    That is a good question. Lately, I have seen the posted octanes for E0 going down. That suggests that the fuel blenders are anticipating E15 as a way to maintain the current octane values we are getting from E10.

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    The new law allows retailers (gas stations, convenience stores) to store either E10 or E15 gas in the same tank. What will be available will be determined by the economic choice of the retailer. if he can sell the E15, makes more profit than on sales of E10 and he only has one tank, that's what you'll get. The secondary issue, raised by some, is the possibly of alcohol accumulation within the tanks, leading to higher blend ratios.

    This concept has been promoted for years by the ethanol industry and, up to 2016, vigorous opposed by the AMA. Today, AMA is curiously quiet on the issue. Yep, it's a political issue for both the national government and the AMA. While the MC community has minimal political clout relative to industrial agriculture, we should have some power to demand consistency and coherence in the policies of the AMA.
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    On my last trip through the Dakotas I noticed—and avoided—more “blender” pumps than I’ve seen in years past. These allow the station operator to store one tank of alcohol and blend it at the pump, E10 through E85. That means depending upon the pump and the maintenance attentiveness of the station owner to deliver an accurately-metered blend. And on a single-hose dispenser it adds the question of what de facto blend ends up in your tank when you add in the .2 gallons of E85 left in the hose by the previous customer.

    All of the blender pumps I saw had only low-octane pure gasoline available, so that plus the increased presence of the blenders looks to me like an industry gearing up for more alcohol use and less availability of higher-octane unadulterated gasoline, at least in the corn-crazy midsection of the country.

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