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    Attendance at AIMExpo

    I thought it was thin on Saturday morning but filled up nicely in the afternoon. I did not go back on Sunday as that I wanted to take a relaxed ride back to Northern Michigan. As it was still got in after dark and after it started raining. The AMA Museum on Friday night and the indoor short track races on Saturday night helped make it worth the trip. They had several classes from big bikes to small bikes and one class of electric bicycles. We need to get some of those for the National. The electric bikes with everyone taking different lines was a hoot. You could just tell that people were thinking - I could do that. I have attended all their locations on the Expo except Vegas (Orlando, Columbus and Vegas) and the Columbus site works best for me. Moreover, don't know how they can build their audience moving it around. Going down to Orlando was an interesting ride but downtown Orlando never seemed like motorcycle territory. Ohio rides. I was missing a few exhibitors that were there in the past and hope they come back or perhaps they were there and I did not see them. Its a great chance to see stuff up close that you may not understand well from a magazine article. Got to see something that may be a game changer in the tire replacement arena from overseas that I did not notice before. Maybe there will be a review in an upcoming very popular association magazine. Who knows? AIMExpo will be back in Columbus next year and so will I. Need to see next year if events line up like this year where the Barber Festival is the next weekend followed by the Falling Leaf Rally. It would be fun to ride from one to the other taking in any great road opportunities in-between and hoping the locks on the house are not changed before I get back.

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    Brake caliper recall, transmission recall, don't sell order and another not yet announced brake and do not sell recall for other very popular BMW bikes.

    G 310GS don't sell, calipers might corrode and go bad.

    K Baggers might have a transmission issue so dealers are told not able to sell or deliver any more 1600 baggers

    Now in the works is a "do not sell" order for the GS, GSA and RT due to a brake caliper leakage issue.

    WHAT THE F---K is going on with the quality control and out sourcing of the BMW motorcycle parts?

    In my opinion, it is the out-sourcing and the failure of BMW to conduct rigid quality control on parts made in certain countries where manufacturers have shown over and over they don't care about quality and will ignore specs and such. If BMW is going to out-source, BMW better be performing the quality checks rather than trusting these manufacturers.

    That said, look back at other issues BMW had - "final drives", wheels, "lifetime" sealed oil/lube that wasn't - and see how they handled those. They denied, ignored, and stuck their customers with the bill. So this recall / no sell policy is a WELCOME change to me. That's how it should be done. You don't sell the bikes and then see how many come back and how many you can get away with sticking the customers with the bill.

    And yes, other bikes have issues too. My 2009 Suzuki GSF1250 had its rectifier assembly recalled and replaced in 2011. Mine had not failed, but Suzuki was seeing too many failures and recalled them all. Fast forward to 2017 and Suzuki recalls and replaces the rectifier in my bike again - that in an 8-year old bike. That's how you take care of your customers and stand behind your product. BMW is simply now (maybe) learning that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zimmermanj View Post
    In my opinion, it is the out-sourcing and the failure of BMW to conduct rigid quality control on parts made in certain countries where manufacturers have shown over and over they don't care about quality and will ignore specs and such. If BMW is going to out-source, BMW better be performing the quality checks rather than trusting these manufacturers.

    That said, look back at other issues BMW had - "final drives", wheels, "lifetime" sealed oil/lube that wasn't - and see how they handled those. They denied, ignored, and stuck their customers with the bill. So this recall / no sell policy is a WELCOME change to me. That's how it should be done. You don't sell the bikes and then see how many come back and how many you can get away with sticking the customers with the bill.

    And yes, other bikes have issues too. My 2009 Suzuki GSF1250 had its rectifier assembly recalled and replaced in 2011. Mine had not failed, but Suzuki was seeing too many failures and recalled them all. Fast forward to 2017 and Suzuki recalls and replaces the rectifier in my bike again - that in an 8-year old bike. That's how you take care of your customers and stand behind your product. BMW is simply now (maybe) learning that.
    Before we jump on the outsourcing bandwagon and countries that don't care about quality, when was the last BMW-made brake caliper?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zimmermanj View Post
    And yes, other bikes have issues too. My 2009 Suzuki GSF1250 had its rectifier assembly recalled and replaced in 2011. Mine had not failed, but Suzuki was seeing too many failures and recalled them all. Fast forward to 2017 and Suzuki recalls and replaces the rectifier in my bike again - that in an 8-year old bike. That's how you take care of your customers and stand behind your product.
    That's how you take care of your legal responsibilities.

    The regulator/rectifiers in Suzukis, Hondas and Kawasakis have been crap for years. Somehow they continue to sell motorcycles.

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    There hasn't been a manufacturer of anything, ever that didn't have issues down the road.

    Just a thought, "Tanaka Air Bags" has now hit the 10 million vehicle recall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zimmermanj View Post
    In my opinion, it is the out-sourcing and the failure of BMW to conduct rigid quality control on parts made in certain countries where manufacturers have shown over and over they don't care about quality and will ignore specs and such. If BMW is going to out-source, BMW better be performing the quality checks rather than trusting these manufacturers.

    That said, look back at other issues BMW had - "final drives", wheels, "lifetime" sealed oil/lube that wasn't - and see how they handled those. They denied, ignored, and stuck their customers with the bill. So this recall / no sell policy is a WELCOME change to me. That's how it should be done. You don't sell the bikes and then see how many come back and how many you can get away with sticking the customers with the bill.

    And yes, other bikes have issues too. My 2009 Suzuki GSF1250 had its rectifier assembly recalled and replaced in 2011. Mine had not failed, but Suzuki was seeing too many failures and recalled them all. Fast forward to 2017 and Suzuki recalls and replaces the rectifier in my bike again - that in an 8-year old bike. That's how you take care of your customers and stand behind your product. BMW is simply now (maybe) learning that.
    Hope you are right...however...2019 F850GS, early production run shipped out with too long a side stand. When stand extended bike is too close to vertical. Bike has to be leaned to right just to get stand down. If any crown to parking space, forget it you need absolute level or a fall over is a good possibility. BMW changed this stand sometime during the run and now the F850GS model comes with a curved stand and a decent stand angle. No notice or retro fit from BMW. It takes a plea to rep to get the "correct" curved stand to alleviate this safety hazard. BMW has a ways to go yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RPGR90s View Post
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    According to all the truth on the Internet, my rear end should have failed a long, long time ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lgb View Post
    You got lucky...
    Voni's R1100RS 412,000 miles. Original final drive with no repairs. My R1150R 177,000 miles. Original final drive with no repairs. The overall failure rate is something around 4 to 5 percent which is way too high for modern manufacturing but still that is 95% or so that don't fail.
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    [QUOTE=zimmermanj;1180595]In my opinion, it is the out-sourcing and the failure of BMW to conduct rigid quality control on parts made in certain countries where manufacturers have shown over and over they don't care about quality and will ignore specs and such. If BMW is going to out-source, BMW better be performing the quality checks rather than trusting these manufacturers.

    I also concur. Yes, BMW and every other manufacturer out sources a lot of parts. That's how business is done. And everything mechanical will fail at some point. But when you're putting your name on the final product, you need to be certain those out sourced parts meet the original specifications and standards.
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    It seems to me no one is contesting the OP's stated facts.
    This is a very sad state of affairs for the motorcycle division of BMW.
    I hope they get this all sorted out quickly and people don't get financially hurt by this.
    That's a lot of money sitting on those showroom floors locked up.
    You need cashflow to keep the lights on and it all moving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickrides View Post
    This is a very sad state of affairs for the motorcycle division of BMW.
    I guess you missed post # 2.

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    Caliper Replaced

    Quote Originally Posted by 69zeff65 View Post
    Brake caliper recall, transmission recall, don't sell order and another not yet announced brake and do not sell recall for other very popular BMW bikes.

    G 310GS don't sell, calipers might corrode and go bad.

    K Baggers might have a transmission issue so dealers are told not able to sell or deliver any more 1600 baggers

    Now in the works is a "do not sell" order for the GS, GSA and RT due to a brake caliper leakage issue.

    WHAT THE F---K is going on with the quality control and out sourcing of the BMW motorcycle parts?

    Aside from the apparent quality control issues here and the impacts on the dealer networks what about the consumer and loyal BMW buyer /rider?

    60-80% of my local dealer inventory will be tied up in a "recall" "do not sell' and maybe a "do not ride" event! Why would they want to continue a relationship with BMW Motorad with all these brake and transmission issues?

    The end result with BMW Motorad neglecting the two wheeled side of they're market might just be a whole sale abandonment of its loyal customer base much like Triumph just recently saw and with no real recovery for the market share.



    Motorad should keep in mind the Motorcycle market was the rebirth after WW2 and did keep the brand alive during a number of very lean times and now may not be the time to turn the corporate backs on a solid life line.

    I'm holding off any new purchases until BMW figures out what they want here!
    Just had my rear caliper replaced on my 2018 R1200RT (K52) 6200 miles. Caliper was leaking from the bleed valve. Apparently, every time I released the rear brake, it would suck air. Rear brake went all the way to the stop. Warranty work.
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