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I also have not found a good US site for non current models.
I wish BMW USA had a site showing specs for non current models.
I agree, but why would they. Spec's for non-current models won't sell new motorcycles.
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I also have not found a good US site for non current models.
I wish BMW USA had a site showing specs for non current models.
Whereas a 6ft tall person on an Indian cruiser looks like an adult sitting on a grade school chair for a parent-teacher meeting.
But, back to BMW's........young (20-30yr) Germans are 1.5 to 2" taller than similar age Americans and Germans are shorter than the Dutch. So, it might not be BMW that has a problem.........
So I guess then that Indian, Harley and Victory have it all messed up because they really should be trying to fit their motorcycles to Dutchmen instead of Americans? And I guess its possible that BMW will sell more motorcycles in Holland than in America. I don't think it's rocket science that, within limits, seat height, seat to footpeg distances and other ergonomic dimensions could be adjustable. Harley sells Reach accessories that lower seats, move pegs and handle bars to accommodate various rider requirements. God forbid that BMW should make a bike where a 5 foot 8 inch individual could sit on the damn thing and put his feet flat on the pavement at a stop light. Just sayin'.
So I guess then that Indian, Harley and Victory have it all messed up because they really should be trying to fit their motorcycles to Dutchmen instead of Americans? And I guess its possible that BMW will sell more motorcycles in Holland than in America. I don't think it's rocket science that, within limits, seat height, seat to footpeg distances and other ergonomic dimensions could be adjustable. Harley sells Reach accessories that lower seats, move pegs and handle bars to accommodate various rider requirements. God forbid that BMW should make a bike where a 5 foot 8 inch individual could sit on the damn thing and put his feet flat on the pavement at a stop light. Just sayin'.
I'm 5'8" and have no problem flat footing my 2015 RT...but it's not because of my height. Rather, as mentioned by a previous poster, it's because of my 32" inseam. Height has nothing to do with it...it's the length of your inseam.
Looking at my 25 years of riding BMW's, I actually feel they've made tremendous progress on trying to have bikes that fit a variety of people. Many of their current models come with lowered suspension (not just a seat with less padding). The RnineT comes with a 31" seat height, but it feels lower because of the bike's slim profile. Both the F750 GS and G310GS are slim profile bikes with a 32" seat height and pretty soft suspension... I would think someone with a 28" inseam would feel pretty comfortable on either of them when they sit on the seat and the suspension compresses. Incredibly, the lowered suspension version of the R1250GS takes the GS bike from a seat height of 34.3" to 31.5"...again, once you sit on the bike and compress the suspension it should feel pretty comfortable for someone with shorter legs.
I'm 5'8" and have no problem flat footing my 2015 RT...but it's not because of my height. Rather, as mentioned by a previous poster, it's because of my 32" inseam. Height has nothing to do with it...it's the length of your inseam.
Looking at my 25 years of riding BMW's, I actually feel they've made tremendous progress on trying to have bikes that fit a variety of people. Many of their current models come with lowered suspension (not just a seat with less padding). The RnineT comes with a 31" seat height, but it feels lower because of the bike's slim profile. Both the F750 GS and G310GS are slim profile bikes with a 32" seat height and pretty soft suspension... I would think someone with a 28" inseam would feel pretty comfortable on either of them when they sit on the seat and the suspension compresses. Incredibly, the lowered suspension version of the R1250GS takes the GS bike from a seat height of 34.3" to 31.5"...again, once you sit on the bike and compress the suspension it should feel pretty comfortable for someone with shorter legs.
I'm wondering how my name got tagged with the quote in the prior message.
Relative to BMW offerings, adjustable height seats are offered on some models while others have a range of seat height options. Low suspension models have been offered by BMW and several aftermarket companies sell short shock variants for modifying a standard height bike. The mothership also offers adjustable footpegs and controls, but most customers of such products got to Suburban, Ilium, SW Motech, Puig, etc. Of course, how many suppliers of bar risers are there??.....
I guess the issue might be.........all of these products aren't BMW made or pushed by the dealer. But, if HD and Indian are the basis for judging product offerings, I guess the lack of straight pipe exhausts and boom box stereo systems needs to be addressed immediately.
So I guess then that Indian, Harley and Victory have it all messed up because they really should be trying to fit their motorcycles to Dutchmen instead of Americans? And I guess its possible that BMW will sell more motorcycles in Holland than in America. I don't think it's rocket science that, within limits, seat height, seat to footpeg distances and other ergonomic dimensions could be adjustable. Harley sells Reach accessories that lower seats, move pegs and handle bars to accommodate various rider requirements. God forbid that BMW should make a bike where a 5 foot 8 inch individual could sit on the damn thing and put his feet flat on the pavement at a stop light. Just sayin'.
In all honesty, Victory messed-up so bad.......they choose to end the product line.
I'm wondering how my name got tagged with the quote in the prior message.
Relative to BMW offerings, adjustable height seats are offered on some models while others have a range of seat height options. Low suspension models have been offered by BMW and several aftermarket companies sell short shock variants for modifying a standard height bike. The mothership also offers adjustable footpegs and controls, but most customers of such products got to Suburban, Ilium, SW Motech, Puig, etc. Of course, how many suppliers of bar risers are there??.....
I guess the issue might be.........all of these products aren't BMW made or pushed by the dealer. But, if HD and Indian are the basis for judging product offerings, I guess the lack of straight pipe exhausts and boom box stereo systems needs to be addressed immediately.
Weird...it was FELAW's message I was quoting.
36654;1183818 Weird...it was FELAW's message I was quoting.[/QUOTE said:A misplaced bracket maybe? That will do weird things every time.
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I’m not sure what I’ll do when I get to that point, but now I’m thinking about the C 650 GT.
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I would be temped by the F900R at 463 pounds.
Those are heavy also at 575 pounds.
I would be temped by the F900R at 463 pounds.
I like the looks of the 2020 F900R.
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The R 1250 R is around 530 lbs. Any R 1250 R owners out there? What say you?.
I like the looks of the 2020 F900R.
Those are heavy also at 575 pounds.
I would be temped by the F900R at 463 pounds.
Those are heavy also at 575 pounds.
I would be temped by the F900R at 463 pounds.[ive been a miner for a heart of gold]
If I could stand going back to a dirty old chain drive...
If I could stand going back to a dirty old chain drive...
And a chinese Lorcim engine?
And a chinese Lorcim engine?