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    Quote Originally Posted by 71243 View Post
    I hate to agree here but ..... I must, because I believe it is inevitable . The green people are amassing numbers, and out numbering us. That gives them clout. And that moves the green vehicles into mainstream ....... jmo
    I'm not even sure being green has anything to do with it.

    A while back I watched a video and the guy on the vid was claiming that electric cars will become so inexpensive to buy and to operate that economically buyers will move away from gas. He stated that cost of electric to buy and operate will be 1/2 of gas in the early 2020's. Battery tech is getting cheaper as more companies move into the market. Electronic devices controls are getting more sophisticated and cheaper to produce. He claimed Tesla was trying to build cars that will run for 500,000 miles with no maintenance and aiming for 1,000,000 miles and no maintenance.

    He also said that companies like Uber and Lyft will own fleets of autonomous vehicles and private ownership of cars will drop, at least in the bigger cities. If you need a ride to work just contact Uber or Lyft on their app.

    I can see it coming. My wife drives maybe 5,000 miles a year. An electric car would make sense for her, but I would need a gas model for the longer trips.

    Us older guys probably just shake our heads and go, "no way!" But you have to wonder! Times are changing. Remember the song from Rush, Red Barchetta? It might be here in ten years, or less!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 71243 View Post
    I hate to agree here but ..... I must, because I believe it is inevitable . The green people are amassing numbers, and out numbering us. That gives them clout. And that moves the green vehicles into mainstream ....... jmo
    As far as I can see- Harley (thankfully) isn't virtue signalling their electric bike. It's billed a cool, fast etc etc. I really wish them success down the road. They shouldn't even TRY to market it to the existing Harley crowd though...They need a whole new demographic for this machine and they should tout the bike other places. At some point, I'd add electric to my stable- it's cool! (Unfortunately I'll likely be dead by the time the prices are down and the range is up!

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    When I was a kid, i used to put playing cards or balloons sticking into the spokes of the wheels on my bike so it would sound like a motorcycle. I'm gonna paternities the ides for Harleys.

    It's gonna take one hell of a card to keep those guys happy.
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    Electric Harley! Is this the joke page?

    People buy Harleys as bar hopping accessories and for that low rumbling sound. Not the sound of a Makita drill at full tilt. Of course they could run an audio file of a real Harley through the stereo and pretend.
    Oddly enough, they may have finally realized that their aging customer demographic won’t carry them forever. HD has suffered even worse reduction of U.S. sales than other makers for several years now.

    Having said that, I doubt a $30k electric is going to attract many 18-24 year olds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoorUB View Post
    I'm not even sure being green has anything to do with it.

    A while back I watched a video and the guy on the vid was claiming that electric cars will become so inexpensive to buy and to operate that economically buyers will move away from gas. He stated that cost of electric to buy and operate will be 1/2 of gas in the early 2020's. Battery tech is getting cheaper as more companies move into the market. Electronic devices controls are getting more sophisticated and cheaper to produce. He claimed Tesla was trying to build cars that will run for 500,000 miles with no maintenance and aiming for 1,000,000 miles and no maintenance.

    He also said that companies like Uber and Lyft will own fleets of autonomous vehicles and private ownership of cars will drop, at least in the bigger cities. If you need a ride to work just contact Uber or Lyft on their app.

    I can see it coming. My wife drives maybe 5,000 miles a year. An electric car would make sense for her, but I would need a gas model for the longer trips.

    Us older guys probably just shake our heads and go, "no way!" But you have to wonder! Times are changing. Remember the song from Rush, Red Barchetta? It might be here in ten years, or less!

    "He also said that companies like Uber and Lyft will own fleets of autonomous vehicles and private ownership of cars will drop, at least in the bigger cities. If you need a ride to work just contact Uber or Lyft on their app."

    Agree here , and have said the same myself. And this is what i see as the end of self driven , internal combustion ... as a means of transportation. Our vehicles will be reduced to museum pieces. At that time, they simply could not have driven cars, on the road with satellite ?? controlled pods running around.


    "Times are changing. Remember the song from Rush, Red Barchetta? It might be here in ten years, or less!"

    Do not remember the song but ..... I do remember my dad [born 1915] talking about how back in his day, the adults whining about the demise of the horse ! Delivery guys did not want to switch over to trucks, etc & so-on.

    That's when times were changing back then.
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    . I do remember my dad [born 1915] talking about how back in his day, the adults whining about the demise of the horse ! Delivery guys did not want to switch over to trucks, etc & so-on.

    ^^ this.
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    . I do remember my dad [born 1915] talking about how back in his day, the adults whining about the demise of the horse ! Delivery guys did not want to switch over to trucks, etc & so-on.

    ^^ this.
    How many Episcopals does it take to change a light bulb

    Four: one to change the bulb and three to say they liked it the old way.
    When I was a kid in 1950 milk was delivered in glass bottles every morning by a milkman with a horse drawn wagon cooled with blocks of ice. Within a couple of years the milkman got his first truck but the milk still came in glass bottles and the truck was cooled with blocks of ice.
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    Stayed with some friends in Spearfish last week and attended the pro flat track races in Rapid City. While stopped for fuel one afternoon we were passed by 5-6 electric Harleys that were part of the demo rides Harley offered at the rally. Could not tell if they were quiet or not because of the scores of bikes running life saving straight pipes, but they were moving right along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    When I was a kid in 1950 milk was delivered in glass bottles every morning by a milkman with a horse drawn wagon cooled with blocks of ice. Within a couple of years the milkman got his first truck but the milk still came in glass bottles and the truck was cooled with blocks of ice.

    LOL...gradual change
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    Rush, Red Barchetta, for those of you that dementia has set in!

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    Speaking of change ....... Heard on the news this morning that Budweiser was going to switch it's focus ? From beer to hard ciders ???

    This is a statement from them .

    "Hard cider is a fast-growing category that saw sales rise 37% to just over 13 million cases in 2013, according to market tracking firm Technomic. Earlier this month, MillerCoors launched its own Smith & Forge Hard Cider."

    Times they are a changin'
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    I thought the Zeros were a bit pricy at $20,000. The H-D Livewire is $30,000. Liquid cooled and the battery weighs 250 lbs. Bike weighs about 550 lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 75450 View Post
    I thought the Zeros were a bit pricy at $20,000. The H-D Livewire is $30,000. Liquid cooled and the battery weighs 250 lbs. Bike weighs about 550 lbs.
    550 is a lightweight Harley.........
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    not quite yet

    The idea is great, but right now just a fad by Harley, and Tesla. Great idea for public utilities to go green to recoup costs from all the wind and solar rebates to help maintain infrastructure costs. I'm all for going green ,but for all intense and circumstance these cars and bikes are rolling super fund sites, do to manufacturing, mining, and disposal. Can't wait for the stories from the GS crowd finding them on back roads miles from nowhere, thank god the forest service banned them from the back country.

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    I am surprised I don't see anybody having test ridden one. Well I have (as well as a Tesla) and let me tell you it is freaking awesome! It is the fastest, smoothest, quietest bike I ever rode and I have an awesome S1000XR.

    It was the same eye opener for me as when I drove the Tesla. This is the future and it is right around the corner. The advantages of lower operating cost or environmental blah blah blah are not going to persuade someone like me but sheer performance and ride quality will. If I could I would have one in my stable as many people use a bike to commute to work or just ride around for some errands or such. For example I participate in a Wednesday evening group ride and we ride less than 100 miles.

    As soon as they improve the range and a quicker re-charge its going to be game over. For example imagine a car or motorcycle that updates itself automatically while its parked in your garage over the internet(like your phone). That is Tesla. Imagine a bike or car that the highest operating expense is tires. That's Tesla. Imagine a car or bike that has no scheduled maintenance. My XR turns on a warning light if you ignore the dealer maintenance even if you do it yourself and we all know what the dealer maintenance costs every 6000 mile. Imagine no oil changes or tune-ups or valve adjustments or noise pollution etc...Imagine acceleration times faster than a Lamborghini or Ferrari or S1000RR. Imagine your carbon footprint at zero with your own windmill or solar-panel roof powering your bike or car.

    Technology moves in leaps. The phone was stagnant for a century with small changes like rotary to pulse etc. Then boom in a decade we just about threw them all out for our cell phone/camera/computer/internet portal/gamer/gps/etc. device. The automobile and motorcycle too have been stagnant for decades with the small improvements like drum to disk or carburetor to fuel-injection, etc. Then boom!!

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