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    Not a fatality if wearing a helmet?

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    just because they point out that he was not wearing a helmet and died from the crash, that does not mean that they would not also have pointed out that he was wearing a helmet (had he been) and died from the crash.

    there are better things too be offended about, and when i read a news report like this, my first thought is not to pick a non-existent bone with the author, but instead, "my thoughts and prayers are with those he left behind. i wish them well."

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    just because they point out that he was not wearing a helmet and died from the crash, that does not mean that they would not also have pointed out that he was wearing a helmet (had he been) and died from the crash.

    there are better things too be offended about, and when i read a news report like this, my first thought is not to pick a non-existent bone with the author, but instead, "my thoughts and prayers are with those he left behind. i wish them well."
    I whole-heartedly agree that helmets save lives, but the author does not say the rider may have lived if he had been wearing a helmet.


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    I've seen more than a few fatal (car) accident reports where it is mentioned the deceased was not wearing a seatbelt, I don't see it as any different.
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    He hit a cement sign? Ouch!

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    The article does not say what the COD was, so it is hard to tell if the lack of a helmet had any relevance to the fatality (although if he hit a concrete sign, it seems likely that his unhelmeted head hit the sign . . . probably not good). However, it is common for these type articles to state whether a motorcyclist was wearing a helmet and whether a car or truck driver was wearing a seatbelt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by username View Post
    just because they point out that he was not wearing a helmet and died from the crash, that does not mean that they would not also have pointed out that he was wearing a helmet (had he been) and died from the crash.

    there are better things too be offended about, and when i read a news report like this, my first thought is not to pick a non-existent bone with the author, but instead, "my thoughts and prayers are with those he left behind. i wish them well."
    I guess I don't really see where any "bones were being picked". I think the original poster was just posing the question of whether the rider would've lived had he been wearing a helmet.

    The story itself seemed pretty objective; nothing but the facts, one of which was the rider wasn't wearing a helmet.

    And, yes, I agree, it's a tragedy for this person's family and friends, and that's really what it's all about.
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    Usually these articles also state "alcohol involved".

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    We had a motorcycle vs car fatality here in my town on Sunday. 51yo man on a harley went head on with a Jeep Liberty. Bikes fault. He crossed into the path of the Liberty. Put his helmeted head right through the drivers side windshield. He died.

    I would change the saying to "helmets can help save lives and prevent serious trauma, but if you use your head to stop, helmet or not it ain't gonna be good"

    I don't know the details on his wreck. I don't know if alcohol was involved or not. It is under investigation. My condolences to his family and the folks in the Liberty. That had to be super scary.

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    Here is the entire article below. I don't see where there is any reason to be upset by it. It's short and limited to the minimal facts available prior to the conclusion of the investigation. The guy ran into a concrete sign. He didn't have a helmet on. There certainly wasn't any question about it being counted as a "fatality" and nothing in the article indicated the lack of helmet caused or didn't cause the collision. There is a refreshing LACK of speculation in the article.

    Helmet use is a reportable fact just like seat belts, it's no biggie. Just because a person rides a bike is no reason to give them a free ride or figure they didn't screw up. I doubt the concrete sign jumped out in front of this guy. Sorry he's dead but there is no indication yet that anyone else was involved in the collision.

    "One dead in motorcycle crash
    By HECTOR CASTRO
    P-I REPORTER

    A motorcyclist in Snohomish County died late Monday after crashing into a concrete sign.

    The 28-year-old man was not wearing a helmet at the time of the incident, the Snohomish County Sheriff's Office reported.

    The crash happened just before 8 p.m. at the intersection of 140th Street Southwest and 64th Avenue West near Lynnwood. The man was riding a 2006 Harley-Davidson motorcycle when he drove into the sign. He was declared dead at the scene.

    It was unclear why the man crashed. There were no other vehicles involved and no one else was hurt.

    The incident remains under investigation."
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    We had a two fatality accident here a few weeks ago. Two motorcyclists on two bikes were on a two lane and a fellow crossed over the centerline and hit them head on. When interviewed, the IL State Police person said that they were wearing helmets, but that is not enough. You have to be alert too. No comment about the car driver.
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    I'm not sure it is officially mandated by any bureaucracy (it might be a conspiracy...), but nearly all of these reports will state if a helmet or seatbelt was not used, but will not state if one was used. They also usually state, "The rider was not licensed" if that is the case, but they won't state if a rider was licensed. It's a type of bias. Helmets don't save lives. Not crashing saves lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montana View Post
    Helmets don't save lives. Not crashing saves lives.
    Actually, helmets DO save lives. Not crashing, however, is just the preferred option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motor31 View Post
    "One dead in motorcycle crash
    By HECTOR CASTRO
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    IMO Hector's a pretty decent reporter.

    The local (Seattle) papers almost always mention whether or not a motorcylist was wearing a helmet at the time of an accident. In Washington we have mandatory helmet usage laws so it is an interesting point that the rider in question was not wearing one at his untimely demise.
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    Here in Myrtle Beach, a cool to not wear a helmetkinda town, it's always interesting, albeit sad, seeing how many croak in the myriad of wrecks that happen in a given year. The Harley bike week always averages 7-10 and the following Atlantic Beach fest about the same. In my personal experience, I've observed almost all of them don't wear helmets and mostly they're trashed and/or inexperiened fashionistas. You should see these anarchists! Additionally, 90% of the time the wrecks that kill these idiots would have been minimal had they been protecting their domes. While it certainly isn't bulletproof, it sure is cheap insurance. It saddens me so that fashion is so preeminent in such a risky activity.

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