View Poll Results: Should MOA forum add new "Politics & Motorcycling" sub-forum?

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  • MOA forum should add "Politics & Motorcycling" sub-forum

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  • MOA forum should remain as it is without new sub-forum

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    Should the MOA forum introduce a new "Politics and Motorcycling" sub-forum?

    NOTE: This is not a BMW MOA sanctioned poll!!

    Personally, I don't want to see ANY politics on this forum. But, trying to be open-minded, I wonder how people feel about this limited introduction of politics.

    Let's see if this poll can be taken without any childish arguments, for if we enter into that sort of behavior just discussing the possibility of a political sub-forum, I fear that the old-timers who witnessed its introduction (and failure) in past years are correct -- it should not be part of the MOA forum.

    BTW, for us newbies, could some of the old-timers chime in with more info about past attempts. The only explanations I've seen are simple "It didn't work" reasons.

    (This topic was brought up in this thread: https://forums.bmwmoa.org/showthread...ycle-community)

    NOTE: This sub-forum "Politics & Motorcycling" would be for the discussion of politics, but only in a narrow focus of how it affects motorcycling, e.g. riders, rider clubs, dealers, vendors, manufacturers, etc.. It would not be a forum to discuss any other type of politics.
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    I don't remember the details as I never really visited the incarnations of the attempts at a more open area. I seem to recall that it was tried once and there was a lot of fighting, name calling, hostility. That was shut down. Then a group of people lobbied to make another attempt...IIRC they got buy-in from the Board. This new group said they would police things, run things, etc. So the new one was created...Tavern on the Screen as I recall. After some amount of time, the group that wanted it threw up their hands as it was too out of control, too much time to monitor, etc. So the requestors said they wanted it closed. And it was. That last iteration was in 2009.
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    I have voted in the negative. But if you insist on establishing a connection to such discussions please position the link to that subforum in the club section, and make the link point to the JoMama subforum over on ADVRider, the MOA Faceplant page, or other location where such discussions are the norm.

    I would hate to see political discussions start up anywhere in the MOA forums. There are plenty of other places on the web where one can indulge that urge. Iím here for the tech info, gear info, ride and riding info, and the camaraderie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider View Post
    I have voted in the negative. But if you insist on establishing a connection to such discussions please position the link to that subforum in the club section, and make the link point to the JoMama subforum over on ADVRider, the MOA Faceplant page, or other location where such discussions are the norm.

    I would hate to see political discussions start up anywhere in the MOA forums. There are plenty of other places on the web where one can indulge that urge. Iím here for the tech info, gear info, ride and riding info, and the camaraderie.

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    I am not familiar with those web sites/locations/discussions. Please go ahead and put those links in here if you think it will help . . .
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    NOTE: This sub-forum "Politics & Motorcycling" (or whatever the admins want to call it if it were to be added) would be for the discussion of politics, but only in a narrow focus of how it affects motorcycling, e.g. riders, dealers, manufacturers, etc.. It would not be a forum to discuss any other type of politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 75450 View Post
    NOTE: This sub-forum "Politics & Motorcycling" (or whatever the admins want to call it if it were to be added) would be for the discussion of politics, but only in a narrow focus of how it affects motorcycling, e.g. riders, dealers, manufacturers, etc.. It would not be a forum to discuss any other type of politics.
    Well, now that you've made it clear regarding "the politics of Motorcycling," I say, Okay! See what comes up along those lines. Good Luck to the Moderator(s)!

    My favorite Political topic is thus: Lane-Splitting Should be the Default in the USA; Not just in Calif!

    We've done the LS thing all across Europe; we've utilized it to our benefit in southern Cal. The cagers just need to get used to it, over time that is!!!

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    100% guaranteed to fail

    I can't think of a better way to drive even more people from the Forum and the MOA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HSVPhil View Post
    Well, now that you've made it clear regarding "the politics of Motorcycling," I say, Okay! See what comes up along those lines. Good Luck to the Moderator(s)!

    My favorite Political topic is thus: Lane-Splitting Should be the Default in the USA; Not just in Calif!

    We've done the LS thing all across Europe; we've utilized it to our benefit in southern Cal. The cagers just need to get used to it, over time that is!!!
    Lane splitting is a discussion; the politics are another matter: nanny state, politicians, regulation, Republican/Democrat, make lanesplitting great again, motorcyclists lives matter , Trump was backed by bikers for Trump, Pelosi lives in a LS state....itís all fun and games till someone loses an eye. The thing a politics of motorcycling seeks to avoid is the very thing it invites.

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    On another bike forum that has a designated politics sub-forum, I saw the enmity and rancor spill out to the regular part of the forum. The two "antagonists" argued on the sub-forum and then it spilled out into the regular part of the forum, both posting contraire for no other reason than they disliked each other. It was pathetic and the moderators eventually quashed both of them.

    I don't envy moderators that have to deal with a political (or anything goes) sub-forum. That will be a full-time (round-the-clock) job for at least two, maybe three moderators.
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    I think, to be fair, the "I don't care" votes need to be lumped into the "Add new politics sub-forum" votes. With that said, and with so few votes, it looks like about 50 to 20.

    Basically, not enough votes to draw any conclusions yet.
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    No, Please No!

    I just joined the club and would hate to see politics or religion creep into the forum. Just motorbikes and riding, thank you!

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    Just a reminder, because it looks like some people think that they would get a "Jo Mamma" style free-for-all sub-forum, like over on advrider.com.

    NOTE: This sub-forum "Politics & Motorcycling" would be for the discussion of politics, but only in a narrow focus of how it affects motorcycling, e.g. riders, rider clubs, dealers, vendors, manufacturers, etc.. It would not be a forum to discuss any other type of politics. This was explained in the opening post.

    (BTW, as I've stated several times in this thread, I don't want politics or religion discussed on this forum, no matter how limited.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 75450 View Post
    I am not familiar with those web sites/locations/discussions. Please go ahead and put those links in here if you think it will help . . .
    ADV - https://advrider.com/ (must register)

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    Welcome to the Facebook Group for the BMW Motorcycle Owners of AmericaÖ the MOA. For BMW motorcycle enthusiasts, the MOA means thousands of new friends and an endless number of resources for your ride. Whether you need tech advice, ride planning or simply to connect socially with BMW motorcycle riders, please join us at www.bmwmoa.org

    The rules for the group are fairly standard. Be polite, avoid divisive topics and enjoy some BMW motorcycle related conversations with your friends. The moderators will take action on anything that is not in the best interest of the group. If you need more specifics, visit our forum guidelines: https://forums.bmwmoa.org/faq.php?fa...tingguidelines.
    So, technically, it's the same the MOA regular forum.
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