View Poll Results: Should MOA forum add new "Politics & Motorcycling" sub-forum?

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  • MOA forum should add "Politics & Motorcycling" sub-forum

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  • MOA forum should remain as it is without new sub-forum

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Thread: Should the MOA forum introduce a new "Politics and Motorcycling" sub-forum?

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    100% guaranteed to fail

    I can't think of a better way to drive even more people from the Forum and the MOA.
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    A very bad idea. It was tried before on two occasions and became divisive and created hard feelings. Please do not do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HSVPhil View Post
    Well, now that you've made it clear regarding "the politics of Motorcycling," I say, Okay! See what comes up along those lines. Good Luck to the Moderator(s)!

    My favorite Political topic is thus: Lane-Splitting Should be the Default in the USA; Not just in Calif!

    We've done the LS thing all across Europe; we've utilized it to our benefit in southern Cal. The cagers just need to get used to it, over time that is!!!
    Lane splitting is a discussion; the politics are another matter: nanny state, politicians, regulation, Republican/Democrat, make lanesplitting great again, motorcyclists lives matter , Trump was backed by bikers for Trump, Pelosi lives in a LS state....its all fun and games till someone loses an eye. The thing a politics of motorcycling seeks to avoid is the very thing it invites.

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    On another bike forum that has a designated politics sub-forum, I saw the enmity and rancor spill out to the regular part of the forum. The two "antagonists" argued on the sub-forum and then it spilled out into the regular part of the forum, both posting contraire for no other reason than they disliked each other. It was pathetic and the moderators eventually quashed both of them.

    I don't envy moderators that have to deal with a political (or anything goes) sub-forum. That will be a full-time (round-the-clock) job for at least two, maybe three moderators.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Visian View Post
    As Forum Liaison back in the day, I had a front-row seat for both the "Don't go there" forum, and the "Tavern on the Screen."

    Here is the fact: people pay $50 per year for the right to post here. Non-members can read many of the forums for free, but they can't post.

    With that $50 comes a couple of expectations:

    1) A level of decorum that you don't always see in "free" forums

    2) A level of service with regard to moderation.

    On point 2, you simply would not believe what happens in the background, the endless private messages complaining about this thing or that, along with the expectation for the volunteer moderator to do something about it. It truly is a total buzz kill for our treasured volunteers.

    Trust me, it may seem reasonable to expect all participants to be adults in discussions like these, but there are many MANY childish people who either troll to feed their narcissism or whine incessantly when they are offended.

    I hope this answers your questions.

    Ian

    Once again Ian comes through with a small reality check.
    While I used to say that something like this was just a click on the delete key away, my perspective has changed. I want to invite people to join an organization composed of thoughtful, intelligent people from vastly different backgrounds who are drawn together by a common joy of riding our motorcycles. Certainly there should be an awareness of the extremes of opinions that go along with this as well as the fact that you just about can't say anything without ruffling some feathers. But we seem to have lost thee level of diplomacy and common sense that I thought we had forty years ago.
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    The only way I could possibly support a political subforum would be with a requirement that posters on the forum use their real names instead of cute handles to hide behind. Having people actually know who posted nonsense would go a long ways toward limiting it. As a general rule I tend to disregard folks who are afraid to identify themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1074 View Post
    But we seem to have lost thee level of diplomacy and common sense that I thought we had forty years ago.
    I'm done now.
    I think the anonymity of the internet is partly to blame. I think the demons in people are more likely to be set free when they are just an avatar: an unknown, and possibly unknowable person.

    I think a group of people sitting around a table, even drinking in a bar, will treat each other with more respect than those same people scattered across the width of the internet, and hiding behind the anonymity it allows.

    Another reason is the polarization of the USA. I can't recall, in my almost 70 years, of any time when the country was this polarized. Sure doing the youth rebellion of the 60s, but that was mostly between generations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    The only way I could possibly support a political subforum would be with a requirement that posters on the forum use their real names instead of cute handles to hide behind. Having people actually know who posted nonsense would go a long ways toward limiting it. As a general rule I tend to disregard folks who are afraid to identify themselves.
    If it has to happen... this is the way to make it work.

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    ... cute handle above precedes real first name! Last name changes or twin brother claimed upon finding trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    The only way I could possibly support a political subforum would be with a requirement that posters on the forum use their real names instead of cute handles to hide behind. Having people actually know who posted nonsense would go a long ways toward limiting it. As a general rule I tend to disregard folks who are afraid to identify themselves.
    I agree that this would help keep people civil, but it would be cumbersome to enforce and only partially effective. How do we know that PGlaves is not a Rooski BOT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by akbeemer View Post
    I agree that this would help keep people civil, but it would be cumbersome to enforce and only partially effective. How do we know that PGlaves is not a Rooski BOT?
    Simple: hes not on a Ural! He could be a Chinese hoaxster on a G310 tho.


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    Quote Originally Posted by akbeemer View Post
    I agree that this would help keep people civil, but it would be cumbersome to enforce and only partially effective. How do we know that PGlaves is not a Rooski BOT?
    That is a valid point.

    However, I will take it in a different direction..........any post would be subject to moderation that may require subject matter expertise beyond what the moderators possess. Say, Climate Science, Federal Fiscal policy, Physics, Thermodynamics, etc.........pontifications are offered on all these topics on a daily basis and "fact" seems to be determined by majority vote of an echo chamber. It would be an impossible situation for any moderator. If the moderator corrects the discussion, he's stifling conversation (from one perspective). If he allows the discussion, he alienates the members with learned knowledge.

    Yep, we are on very dangerous ground with the current political discourse. Many considerate it sport/spectacle like the gladiators in the Colosseum. Sadly, they fail to consider that the Gladiators were slaves and the spectacle was offered to distract attention from important issues
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    Quote Originally Posted by 36654 View Post
    That is a valid point.

    ... Say, Climate Science, Federal Fiscal policy, Physics, Thermodynamics, etc.........pontifications are offered on all these topics on a daily basis and "fact" seems to be determined by majority vote of an echo chamber. It would be an impossible situation for any moderator.
    Just two cents: It is supposed to be motorcycle-related. You're liable to be pretty far askew if Climate Science & Fiscal Policy gets wrapped around one of dem m/c axles. Jus Sayin

    Ciao, HSV-Phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by HSVPhil View Post
    Just two cents: It is supposed to be motorcycle-related. You're liable to be pretty far askew if Climate Science & Fiscal Policy gets wrapped around one of dem m/c axles. Jus Sayin

    Ciao, HSV-Phil
    Some people feel that a motorcycle is a single track vehicle configured with a thermal engine (reference: the other thread posts which prompted this poll) that uses certain types of fuel. Accordingly, issues pertaining to the configuration of the vehicle, the engine type and fuels are all related.

    As I've grown older, I care less about how the power is produced. I want it to be available, I don't want to hear it and I, certainly, don't want to clean chain-lube muck from the rear wheel.
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