lupinblue
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Right on, Ron. Politics is too important to ignore.
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Visian
look out!!!
Again, {I} strongly disagree. If {you} cannot deal with any subject in an emotionally controlled , civil , respectful, manner? Then you should restrain from participating in such a discussion ? But why not allow those of us who can, participate in such a discussion?
All the time {we} are involved in these discussions ... you will surely be welcomed in any of the oil/tire/battery threads you choose.
My friend, I can take just about anything.
However, the fact of the matter here is (and you should read my post in the poll thread about the previous two exercises) there are a lot of people who can't and the whole thing just winds up harshing the buzz.
pappy35
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Bejeepus...I get on here to read about motorcycle stuff. Politics is EVERYWHERE (work, TV, family reunions with their Archie vs. Meathead uncles, etc.). I don't ride to think about who said what stupid sh#& today. So, you guys in the "politics is part of life deal with it camp" are just going to make it part of every damned discussion on this board. I can see it now:
"I would like to use Brand A oil but that company buys it from <insert middle eastern supplier here> and I refuse to buy oil from a company that does business with <X> because they support <Y>..." - followed by 500 comments unrelated to the actual topic.
"EZCAN? They're from South Africa and I won't support a company that supports Apartheid!" - I know, that's the past but people can be ignorant and I'm just making a point, roll with it. - followed by 500 comments unrelated to the actual topic.
"I hate GS310s because their engines are made in India and I hate curry!" - followed by 500 comments unrelated to the actual topic.
THAT'S THE DAMNED PROBLEM!!! Allow politics/religion/etc. and EVERY discussion will devolve into partisan bickering. Please, give it a break already...
"I would like to use Brand A oil but that company buys it from <insert middle eastern supplier here> and I refuse to buy oil from a company that does business with <X> because they support <Y>..." - followed by 500 comments unrelated to the actual topic.
"EZCAN? They're from South Africa and I won't support a company that supports Apartheid!" - I know, that's the past but people can be ignorant and I'm just making a point, roll with it. - followed by 500 comments unrelated to the actual topic.
"I hate GS310s because their engines are made in India and I hate curry!" - followed by 500 comments unrelated to the actual topic.
THAT'S THE DAMNED PROBLEM!!! Allow politics/religion/etc. and EVERY discussion will devolve into partisan bickering. Please, give it a break already...
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pappy35
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Yes. WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE. So go vote. I don't want to read about it here. This site is about motorcycles and I don't give a rats behind about what someone else's opinion is about those kind of hot-button topics.
ncpbmw1953
Member
Bologna. You can retain the strict ban of politics/religion/etc on all forums except the one entitled, Motorcycles and Politics/Policy. It's ludicrous to ad hoc ban all references to politics in the entire website just because the primary purpose here is about BMW/motorcycling, that's a given. There is no reason you can't have one forum topic be dedicated to Motorcycling and Politics. I'll bet it would be well used.
pappy35
New member
I meant allowing political discussions in general. If there's a forum for it, have at it. I am opposed to permitting the discussion of, or perhaps I should say "the introduction of," politics/region/etc. as a devolution of a thread that started about some "normal" topic. I would have no trouble at all avoiding such a forum as if it is the source of Ebola.
As someone said earlier motorcycles have internal combustion engines and a discussion on how they currently fit into society and what roll they will play in the future is a political discussion like it or not. I have made my living in the motorcycle industry for 32 years and it is going down the drain, not because of politics, but because of changes in society. To understand these changes and work to make motorcycles relevant in the future we MUST have this discussion.
I am an AMA member and a member of the Motorcycle Industry Council. Both of those organizations have become so mired in political correctness and making sure they don't hurt anyone's feelings that they have a very difficult time being effective.
I have been a member of the MOA off and on since 1992. I have to tell you as far as motorcycle people go BMW riders have the thinnest skin there is.
Society is made of good people and bad people. No matter who you are or what you do you are going to encounter them. Do you really want the MOA spending their time making this forum a safe place for you? So you don't get your feelings hurt, by words and opposing opinions?
I am an AMA member and a member of the Motorcycle Industry Council. Both of those organizations have become so mired in political correctness and making sure they don't hurt anyone's feelings that they have a very difficult time being effective.
I have been a member of the MOA off and on since 1992. I have to tell you as far as motorcycle people go BMW riders have the thinnest skin there is.
Society is made of good people and bad people. No matter who you are or what you do you are going to encounter them. Do you really want the MOA spending their time making this forum a safe place for you? So you don't get your feelings hurt, by words and opposing opinions?
Who are you addressing here?
If it is [me] you targeted the wrong one, as i did not take this thread in this direction. I just responded in kind to the turn.
I just started a topic about the seeming change / demise of motorcycling in general. It was others that added / noted the political component .
If you are annoyed ? I suggest it may be of your own doing, as again there is no need to read past the first hint [of] annoyance.
jconway607
JohnWC
I do! Ah, brings back memories.... My father had a huge collection of old 1940-50s Popular Science and Popular Mechanics magazines stored in a closest. I spent countless hours going through them, dreaming of making my own scuba set up from a surplus compressor, or marveling at how you could turn a fuel tank from a B-17 into a sports car. I just got rid of those magazines, and I hated to do it. An era gone by.
Not that this relates to the topic at hand.
Well said ! And I agree ...... I won't start the [my dog's bigger than your dog banter]
But , while I have not been [inside] ? the motorcycle industry as you have. I have been around a long time & have seen the same changes. And have become disgusted by them.
36654
New member
My post was directed at Visian and his suggestion to put aside comments about "middle-aged pirates....." to protect the "community". If accepting boorish behavior (i.e., excessive exhaust noise and long herds of bikers demanding to ride as a continuous group) is the only way to preserve the motorcycle market, I say it should die.
Being a good neighbor is my first priority. I ride my motorcycle within those bounds.
Motorcycles are popular in my neighborhood. SW Suburbs Chicago, single family homes. Two BMW (LT and GT), 4 HDs, 1 Honda scooter in one block. They are out and about most days. Probably more owners, if I search them out. Mix of workers and retirees.
We watch out for pot holes and center road gaps as much as distracted car drivers. I55 needs evasive maneuvering skills and a lot of concentration to stay upright. Sport bike riders usually using full helmets and protection clothing. The HDs usually without helmets. Motorcycles are not a rare sight in Illinois. Alive and well here.
We watch out for pot holes and center road gaps as much as distracted car drivers. I55 needs evasive maneuvering skills and a lot of concentration to stay upright. Sport bike riders usually using full helmets and protection clothing. The HDs usually without helmets. Motorcycles are not a rare sight in Illinois. Alive and well here.
pglaves
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We live right next to the highway leading to Big Bend National Park, 25 miles away. Except when it is too hot there is no shortage of motorcycles touring the area.
I went on a 160-mile ride on suburban and country roads in eastern Ohio this morning and saw no fewer than two dozen other motorcycles. Granted, this is a splendid Saturday weather-wise. Normally on my 50-mile commute to work (from Akron to a western suburb of Cleveland) I see a half dozen or so other motorcycles when the weather is dry. (One day I even saw a guy on an R1150RT nearly identical to mine; not sure why that surprised me, but it did.) I'm usually the only one on the road when rain is in the forecast or in the air.
There's a tavern up the road from me that's a Harley hangout. Most evenings I see 4 or 5 bikes parked in the lot. Tuesday is bike night, and then the parking lot is filled, probably two to three dozen bikes most of the time.
So it seems the majority of motorcycling around here happens on weekends and to bars.
There's a tavern up the road from me that's a Harley hangout. Most evenings I see 4 or 5 bikes parked in the lot. Tuesday is bike night, and then the parking lot is filled, probably two to three dozen bikes most of the time.
So it seems the majority of motorcycling around here happens on weekends and to bars.
3% of the population ride motorcycles. 5% of the population think they have seen a UFO. You don't realize how many white Camrys there are on the road until you buy one.
You, as a motorcyclist, anecdotally judging the size or health of the US motorcycle market is a little suspect.
It the (motorcycle market) is falling apart.
Just look at the National, AARP should have had a booth there.
You, as a motorcyclist, anecdotally judging the size or health of the US motorcycle market is a little suspect.
It the (motorcycle market) is falling apart.
Just look at the National, AARP should have had a booth there.
pglaves
#13338
Nah! Most are already members.
For MANY years. BTW does AARP offer a lifetime membership?
Friedle
Boy, I love Friedle's humor...
Thanks ! I'll be here through Tuesday. Don't forget to tip your waitress.
Friedle
