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    Motorcyclist Visibility

    There are a lot opinions out there about what is the best combo of colors to wear. I have made observations over the past several years. I just got back from a long trip out west. Horrible weather. I didn't see many bikes until I got back further east. What I have noticed, especially with bikes that have windshields and fairings, is that no color stands out until I get very near the bike at an angle. I do notice lights. It seems by the time I notice the rider I would have already made a move detrimental to the bikes well being. I think movement and lights gets, at least mine, more attention. Just my two cents.
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    I spot white helmets and day-glo jackets as good as or better than lights. I was riding home a while ago when I spotted another rider dressed like that a half a mile ahead of me. Needless to say, I'm a BIG believer in hi-viz outerwear.
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    By ahead of you do you mean you are approaching from behind? If so then If there is no luggage or top box blocking the view I agree colors will help. The most common motorcycle wreck is something turning in front of us. That is where the visibility is important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdfbeemer View Post
    By ahead of you do you mean you are approaching from behind? If so then If there is no luggage or top box blocking the view I agree colors will help. The most common motorcycle wreck is something turning in front of us. That is where the visibility is important.
    This was in rush hour traffic and for just a brief moment he popped out. By this I mean that the road turned to the left way ahead and because of that turn, for just a moment, he was visible. Were it not for the hi-viz clothing, I would not have noticed him.

    My point being that: hi-viz works in making one stand out in traffic. Guys that run around in black riding gear just melt into the background.

    I'm looking into getting auxiliary lights for my RT but my choice of white helmet and hi-viz jacket I think are more helpful in making me stand out in traffic than those will be.
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    I installed some Aux LED lights onto the crash bars on my R90S last year after a car pulled out to pass another on a 2 lane road last year. I don't think he saw me coming. The headlight on that old airhead is not really bright. I luckily saw him pull into my lane and had enough time to take the shoulder of the road or he would have hit me.

    With all the people texting and talking on their phones or not looking when pulling out from a side street, you need to be as visible as possible and then that still might not be enough.

    Two years ago while on a road trip to the Grand Canyon, a buddy and I was just outside Post Texas when he got sideswiped from behind by a pickup truck. Luckily he wasn't seriously injured and his riding gear saved him. The guy said he fell asleep at the wheel and didn't know he had hit him.

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    I like high viz gear and wear it often. Wish the Rallye suit came with at least hi viz shoulders. That said, I never put all my eggs in one basket whether hi viz, conspicuity lights, loud pipes or whatever. All of them are just tools. The most important one is the nut between the handlebars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdfbeemer View Post
    There are a lot opinions out there about what is the best combo of colors to wear.
    Opinions are nice, and everyone has one, but I put more faith in legitimate safety studies. This one is valid for the topic at hand: https://www.bmj.com/content/328/7444/857.full

    Note: visibility is important; call it conspicuity. But it is not the complete answer because there are idiot drivers out there who will pull out or turn across lanes of traffic even though their vision is blocked and they can't possibly see enough to make a move but they do anyway. So one needs to not only scan for obvious hazards, one needs to scan for dangerous situations, where other motorists' vision are blocked and realize there are people dumb enough or careless enough to go anyway. So watch for blocked vision - it contributes to many very serious accidents.

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    Here is the quick summary from the MAIDS Study:

    The cause of the majority of PTW accidents collected in this study was found to be human error. The most frequent human error was a failure to see the PTW within the traffic environment, due to lack of driver attention, temporary view obstructions or the low conspicuity of the PTW.

    "PTW" means powered two-wheeler - motorcycle or scooter.

    The MAIDS study was done in Europe.

    You can read the full study by registering, which is quick and easy.

    The study here: http://www.maids-study.eu/

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    I always wear a white full-face helmet. It is easily perceived and visible 360 degrees. I have auxiliary LED's on my wethead GS. I wear Hi-Viz mesh or a Hi-Viz Helite vest on any kind of trip of more than a few miles. A white helmet is so much easier to spot in traffic than a black helmet, as proven in that first link I provided. Hi-Viz is important but it is not a complete solution - world class defensive driving is also needed.

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    More from the MAIDS study:

    The clothing worn by the PTW rider was photographed and evaluated for each MAIDS case. A determination was made by the investigator as to whether or not this clothing contributed to the conspicuity of the PTW and the PTW riders. This evaluation was purely subjective on the part of the investigator. Table 8.13 indicates that in 65.3% of all cases, the clothing made no contribution to the conspicuity of the rider or the PTW. There were very few cases found in which the bright clothing of the PTW rider enhanced the PTW’s overall conspicuity (46 cases).There were more cases in which the use of dark clothing decreased the conspicuity of the rider and the PTW (120 cases).


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    Quote Originally Posted by AKsuited View Post
    More from the MAIDS study:

    The clothing worn by the PTW rider was photographed and evaluated for each MAIDS case. A determination was made by the investigator as to whether or not this clothing contributed to the conspicuity of the PTW and the PTW riders. This evaluation was purely subjective on the part of the investigator. Table 8.13 indicates that in 65.3% of all cases, the clothing made no contribution to the conspicuity of the rider or the PTW. There were very few cases found in which the bright clothing of the PTW rider enhanced the PTW’s overall conspicuity (46 cases).There were more cases in which the use of dark clothing decreased the conspicuity of the rider and the PTW (120 cases).


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    Am I missing something here? If one type of clothing is LESS conspicuous, then wouldn’t the opposite clothing have to be MORE conspicuous. If something is less than something else, then the other is more!!?! (And if clothing is not a conspicuosity factor then one can’t be more or less than the other.
    Situation probably has a lot to do with this too; lights may be a major factor in one situation while clothing may be important in another, and both may be helpful in a third.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKsuited View Post
    Here is the quick summary from the MAIDS Study:

    The cause of the majority of PTW accidents collected in this study was found to be human error. The most frequent human error was a failure to see the PTW within the traffic environment, due to lack of driver attention, temporary view obstructions or the low conspicuity of the PTW.

    "PTW" means powered two-wheeler - motorcycle or scooter.

    The MAIDS study was done in Europe.

    You can read the full study by registering, which is quick and easy.

    The study here: http://www.maids-study.eu/

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    Quote Originally Posted by akbeemer View Post
    It is hard to imagine an auto accident that is not the result of human error.
    That's not very helpful - we're trying to figure out the "why" of these errors.
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    I think the why is obvious. People are distracted, not all from cell phone use, in a hurry and over estimate their driving abilities. I think we notice things important to ourselves. I notice lights and movement, some notice colors. Thus we utilize methods we think works better. The best avoidance is being alert and ready to act at all times. People pull out in front of my F-450 all the time. How did they not see that truck? Their mind was not on the issue at hand. I don't think we will ever solve that problem. I was in a state recently, can't remember which one, that had the big electronic signs over the road. The sign said "No cell no. Put the phone down". I noticed many folks driving under the signs talking or using their phones. I think the punishment for this should be severe. Loss of license for a month first infraction, a year second infraction and permanent loss if driving privileges for the third offense. Law enforcement should be driving around using their eyes. However they spend too much time sitting on the side of the road trying to get speeders. Their eyes are their most important piece of equipment. They also should drive as an example. Use turn signal, slow on caution lights and not run red lights. I find the police in my area are some of the worst drivers and then want to penalize use for speeding. Sorry about the rant but in my mind distracted drivers are much more dangerous than speeders.
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