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    Quote Originally Posted by badge502 View Post
    ... I use Klim Voyager air pants... They flow enough air when you're filling your bike up at the pump, you can almost get a chill from the breeze blowing through them. ...
    I thought about these pants (they looked like a great match for the Klim Induction Jacket) but the pants only come in BLACK. I don't understand this... A product designed to help you stay cool that only comes in a color that absorbs the most heat in the sun. If these came in lighter colors, I'd be all over them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alegerlotz View Post
    I thought about these pants (they looked like a great match for the Klim Induction Jacket) but the pants only come in BLACK. I don't understand this... A product designed to help you stay cool that only comes in a color that absorbs the most heat in the sun. If these came in lighter colors, I'd be all over them.
    I second that thought. I so wish they would have different color choices. My current mesh pants are a light grey and flow air nicely, when standing up. But sitting down behind the fairing get very little circulation. Can't imagine what they would feel like in black color.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbtex View Post
    Thanks for the suggestion! I'll take a look at it as well.
    I wear their mesh pants as well, they come in black and gray.
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    Many times I see links to the infamous Iron Butt article about not using mesh in high temps. I see adventure rider type threads making the same point.

    I know something they are not putting into the equation.

    Put on your Aerostich or other textile gear with good venting and ride a naked bike or a bike with a limited aero package. As long as you are moving you can stay reasonably cool even in high temps. Ride with that same gear on an RT under the same conditions and you won't be nearly as cool. You don't get the airflow coming in at the right places to blow up your sleeves or go into chest area pocket vents and so on. In fact, should you get into slow traffic or stopped traffic, you might no be able to bear the heat. I have been through that very thing.

    The "you will sweat too much in mesh" just doesn't add up in my experience. It actually makes the rest of that argument seem to be less reliable.

    There isn't all that much air actually hitting you when wearing mesh on an RT. I have Motoport gear that is almost all mesh. But very small openings. Olympia gear that I actually get more air with. The one thing that never seems to get brought up when wearing solid textile is how do you "vent" the hip/legs? In testing I have found my legs so hot that they felt like they were wrapped in black garbage bags while I was sitting in the sun!

    In live in Houston, Texas. Hard to top that for miserable riding for 4 months. I have gone out with my solid gear to see what these guys are talking about. I simply do NOT AGREE with them for riding a bike with a solid aero package. Adventure bike? Maybe you could get by.

    Don't get me started on "evaporative vests don't work in humid conditions"! They work quite well. Almost better, they may not dry out quite as quickly. Don't overlook the science, moving air dramatically raises the evaporation rate making the vest work quite well.

    The past few years I have cheated anyway. I run a Veskimo vest that circulates ice water. I built my own ice container/pump system. Holds 20 lbs of ice. I can run a full fuel tank and not run out of ice. Makes my belly numb it is so cold! I can ride in 100+ temps and stay fully alert with none of that getting tired too early feeling hot temps can give you. Truly all day comfort. Then there is the bonus of taking an ice cold bottle of water out of the chest at a rest stop. Can you even imagine how good that feels going down!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Realshelby View Post
    Many times I see links to the infamous Iron Butt article about not using mesh in high temps. I see adventure rider type threads making the same point.



    In live in Houston, Texas. Hard to top that for miserable riding for 4 months. I have gone out with my solid gear to see what these guys are talking about. I simply do NOT AGREE with them for riding a bike with a solid aero package. Adventure bike? Maybe you could get by.
    Aw sure. Why would the Surgeon General of the Navy (Admiral Don Arthur) know anything about physiology? I know who I trust and it isn't some guy writing on a forum. Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Realshelby View Post
    Many times I see links to the infamous Iron Butt article about not using mesh in high temps. I see adventure rider type threads making the same point.

    I know something they are not putting into the equation.

    Put on your Aerostich or other textile gear with good venting and ride a naked bike or a bike with a limited aero package. As long as you are moving you can stay reasonably cool even in high temps. Ride with that same gear on an RT under the same conditions and you won't be nearly as cool. You don't get the airflow coming in at the right places to blow up your sleeves or go into chest area pocket vents and so on. In fact, should you get into slow traffic or stopped traffic, you might no be able to bear the heat. I have been through that very thing.

    The "you will sweat too much in mesh" just doesn't add up in my experience. It actually makes the rest of that argument seem to be less reliable.

    There isn't all that much air actually hitting you when wearing mesh on an RT. I have Motoport gear that is almost all mesh. But very small openings. Olympia gear that I actually get more air with. The one thing that never seems to get brought up when wearing solid textile is how do you "vent" the hip/legs? In testing I have found my legs so hot that they felt like they were wrapped in black garbage bags while I was sitting in the sun!

    In live in Houston, Texas. Hard to top that for miserable riding for 4 months. I have gone out with my solid gear to see what these guys are talking about. I simply do NOT AGREE with them for riding a bike with a solid aero package. Adventure bike? Maybe you could get by.

    Don't get me started on "evaporative vests don't work in humid conditions"! They work quite well. Almost better, they may not dry out quite as quickly. Don't overlook the science, moving air dramatically raises the evaporation rate making the vest work quite well.

    The past few years I have cheated anyway. I run a Veskimo vest that circulates ice water. I built my own ice container/pump system. Holds 20 lbs of ice. I can run a full fuel tank and not run out of ice. Makes my belly numb it is so cold! I can ride in 100+ temps and stay fully alert with none of that getting tired too early feeling hot temps can give you. Truly all day comfort. Then there is the bonus of taking an ice cold bottle of water out of the chest at a rest stop. Can you even imagine how good that feels going down!
    you are correct, BIG difference between riding a naked bike in heat or cold vs. an RT or any other bike with full fairing/lowers, etc. I've stopped riding to work mainly because of dangerous M******* drivers but also having to crawl in traffic when it's 90 deg and humid is a killer for me. NO FUN getting some soaked w/sweat even thou it's been raining in the Northeast all spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    Aw sure. Why would the Surgeon General of the Navy (Admiral Don Arthur) know anything about physiology? I know who I trust and it isn't some guy writing on a forum. Sorry.
    How many miles does the Admiral have riding a motorcycle in 90-110 degree F temps?

    I didn't ask for anyones trust. While your signature says something about thinking, is it not ok to voice ones own thoughts based on their experience? I think it is. Sorry you disapprove of me for writing about my experiences that are directly taken from riding in high heat environments for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Realshelby View Post
    How many miles does the Admiral have riding a motorcycle in 90-110 degree F temps?
    Better still, How many miles does the Admiral have riding a motorcycle with a big fairing and windscreen in 90-110 degree F temps??

    All of what's written in that article makes perfect sense if the air flow can get to you. I, like others here, have found that mesh gear and a cooling vest works pretty well in the zone behind the RT fairing (my experience with it being in the southwest in temps up to 116 degrees).
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    Quote Originally Posted by alegerlotz View Post
    Better still, How many miles does the Admiral have riding a motorcycle with a big fairing and windscreen in 90-110 degree F temps??

    All of what's written in that article makes perfect sense if the air flow can get to you. I, like others here, have found that mesh gear and a cooling vest works pretty well in the zone behind the RT fairing (my experience with it being in the southwest in temps up to 116 degrees).
    Cooling heat out long sleeve, cooling vest and mesh jacket works for me in temps from mid 90's to 115 degrees on the 1200GS or the GT. The shirt needs rewetting ever 1-1.5 hours while the vest last 3 hours./
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    Quote Originally Posted by alegerlotz View Post
    I thought about these pants (they looked like a great match for the Klim Induction Jacket) but the pants only come in BLACK. I don't understand this... A product designed to help you stay cool that only comes in a color that absorbs the most heat in the sun. If these came in lighter colors, I'd be all over them.
    Never understood black as a summer gear color?

    I wear all tinfoil, I mean silver. It is hard to find good gear in silver. I even bought my Aerostitch in Gray instead of black. Why I wont buy MotoPort as it is black and the yellow fades to black.

    And since I do ride a GS there is a difference of how much air and where I get hit with it on the GS versus the RT.

    Those jugs are still sitting there shaking and baking you in traffic though just like a RT.

    Cooling vest and humidity? NOT going to work. You can not evaporate water if the air is as saturated or more so then what it is being blown over.

    Here in the Eastern USA we can not use Evaporative Coolers or Swamp Coolers because of our humidity. You need dry warm/hot air. If you have doubt look it up. A cooling vest here in PA when the humidity is 75% and it is 95 degrees a cooling vest is just hot condensation hanging on your body.

    "Evaporation – The process of conversion of liquid water into vapor form is called evaporation. It occurs constantly in nature as water from water bodies like lakes and rivers vaporize and become part of the atmosphere. There are many conditions that govern the amount of evaporation that occurs in a given location. It is dependent on the amount of water present, wind, the temperature, and the amount of water vapor that is already present in the air".

    "Relative Humidity – The amount of water vapor in a given volume of air divided by the amount of air in that volume is called humidity. It depends on the temperature as higher temperature can increase the rate of evaporation and thus the amount of water vapor in the air. At a given temperature, there is a maximum amount of water vapor that air can hold and when the maximum capacity is reached the process of condensation begins".

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    I say it is like everything else, EVERYONE is different with different levels of tolerance to heat and pain.

    EVERYONE just use common sense, stop for gas, stop to drink and look out for each other

    I mean I ride with my 85 year old father in law on his RT. He is ex motorcycle policeman. We rode 700 miles last year on our fist day to the BMW Rally! We will be in Lebanon this year! We like to move and we make good time but we do the 100/100 and it works. Ride 100 stop for water and a bio break, ride 100 stop for gas and a bio break. It is a 10 or 15 min thing that makes you feel better and keeps you safe and in eye contact with other riders. I guess I am in my 60's so I do need to bio break more then I used to
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    Quote Originally Posted by Realshelby View Post
    How many miles does the Admiral have riding a motorcycle in 90-110 degree F temps?
    Certainly thousands, including completion of the Iron Butt Rally and a Four Corners ride in less than 5 days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alegerlotz View Post
    Better still, How many miles does the Admiral have riding a motorcycle with a big fairing and windscreen in 90-110 degree F temps??
    He rides/rode a K1200LT. I think that is probably enough fairing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LFarling View Post
    Never understood black as a summer gear color?

    I wear all tinfoil, I mean silver. It is hard to find good gear in silver. I even bought my Aerostitch in Gray instead of black.
    I never understood black as summer riding gear either.

    I ride a Harley too. Pretty much all their mesh jackets are black. I don't understand it!

    All my mesh is silver/gray. I bought a Tour Master mesh jacket a couple years ago, apparently I was not thinking straight because the tops of the arms and shoulders are black, and I can certainly feel the heat coming off the black. I wore it a couple times and then bought a First Gear jacket that has very little black on it, it is a cooler jacket.

    My wife and I bought helmets this spring. Not a big fan of white, but HJC had silver, so that it what we bought. After wearing black helmets for years I am curious to see how much difference they make.

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    Black fabric must be cheaper.

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    Black has been the go too awhile How about some fine Wool?

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