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    Quote Originally Posted by lougi View Post
    Any Dealers you know who could solve that promblem will be helpfull!!!!
    I'd be surprised if a dealer would do this for you.
    Your best best is a tuner and it may void the warranty, you'll need to research the warranty issue.
    If you can put up with the limiter for three years you could have a tune done after warranty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    Get used to speed limiters. The European Union is making them mandatory for cars starting with 2022 models. I have not read that this also applies to motorcycles but I have also not that it doesn't. The current legislation mentions enough kph to equal 112 mph, but also speaks to GPS positioning and speed limiting based on speed limits. It will be a joke for a while and then they will get it worked out and I will be happy with my old bike.
    The report I say mentioned limiting the vehicle to the posted speed limit.
    This would be done with onboard cameras and GPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lougi View Post
    I will try to explain to you to survive on the road on a motocycle you have to make sure you are not at the wrong spot in the trafic.
    I am riding motocycle since 42 years and almost of the time with my wife as a passenger.
    Last summer on a trip in Atlantic Province I was in the trafic with 2 cars and a a big tractor & trailer who slow down the trafic in the font of me.
    I knew if i stay there some car or truck will want to go front of us.
    By the way it was the type of highway we have in New Brunswick 2 lanes with trafic each way not wath you call highway in US.
    As soon i had the chance to double the 2 cars and tractor trailer i turn the trotle and start to go front but as soon i was side by side with the tractor trailer i realise a pick-up truck with a camping trailer was in front of him and it was the reason for the slow down in the trafic.
    At that time i had the time to go front of every one but because of that of limited of speed i had to push the brakes to slow down and moving front of the tractor trailer and back of the pick-up truck and is camping trailer.
    If you want survive on the road with a motocycle move on and do not be obstruction in the trafic!!!

    I can visualize the scenario you are describing. Friedle is correct - that "speed is a poor substitute for good judgment."

    That being said, the very nature of motorcycling - the freedom we feel controlling our speed and road position so easily as compared to cages - does not foster an appetite for patience. How long any of us would have put up with that snail caravan you were in, is an individualized decision.

    But I think most of us have found ourselves in a situation, right or wrong, where the instant application of great speed gets us out of harm's way. I think that's what you needed then and found it lacking, due to a 'limiter.'

    I believe the HP should have been available, and for you to decide when and how to use it. There has been a time or two when even I have cracked triple digits to either compensate for a bad decision, or to avoid a road idiot.

    Unfortunately, too many BMW riders think the performance capability of their bikes is a 'free pass' to treat USA interstates as 'Autobans.'

    Some bikes (my son's former ST1300, for example) get unstable at near-top speed. Some manufacturers install limiters to avoid this situation.

    Buy the bike that suits your needs, including the power to escape danger - whether it sneaks up on you or is self-inflicted.

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    Some bikes (my son's former ST1300, for example) get unstable at near-top speed. Some manufacturers install limiters to avoid this situation.
    NHTSA has opened an investigation into front end directional stability (wobble) issues on BMW K1600 motorcycles. This is a result of 8 complaints to the Feds followed by discussion with BMW identifying an additional 15 or so complaints of wobble issues at speeds above 60 miles per hour. The notice of the investigation simply says K1600 and does not identify which submodels are included in the investigation.
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    K1600B Grand America Speed Limiter

    You are correct. The speed limiter was introduced due to instability issues driven by the aerodynamics associated with the top box. This ensures that riders have sufficient threshold before reaching that point. As a former owner of a K1300S, I can't say that riding at full twist isn't a whole lot of fun but in the US where >100 mph imply very large speed differentials with other vehicles that are being passed, you're increasing the risk of a bad outcome substantially. In particular when you consider what it takes to get a driver's license in the US versus Germany! They may as well give them away in a box of Cheerios here! In any case, I doubt you'll get any dealer to help you with that request as it only exposes them to a significant liability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    NHTSA has opened an investigation into front end directional stability (wobble) issues on BMW K1600 motorcycles. This is a result of 8 complaints to the Feds followed by discussion with BMW identifying an additional 15 or so complaints of wobble issues at speeds above 60 miles per hour. The notice of the investigation simply says K1600 and does not identify which submodels are included in the investigation.
    Wow!

    Keep us posted.

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    I have read a ton of complaints about the K1600B's top speed limiter (mostly on the K1600 Forum). As a GTL owner, whose motorcycle supposedly isn't top speed limited, I have a few observations.

    If a complaint from B owners is that they should be able to drive as fast as they want, then I am fine with that. That's an argument that can be made. But if you are going to argue that not being able to get to 100 to 140 mph is a safety issue, you're out of your mind. Don't ask me how I know, but the time it takes the big K to get from 110 to 132 (GPS Speed - ahem!) is not quick. It takes a few moments to get there. Its not instant 0-100 mph acceleration. It is not quick enough to get you out of trouble. If you are arguing that you need instant acceleration from 70 to 100, I am with you.

    Regardless, if you are going that fast, you are overriding your ability to react. And any reaction you have is likely to destabilize your bike anyway. Throw in the discussion that the B or GA is unstable at those speeds... it's just not worth it. Especially if you're an idiot and decide you want to see how fast it will go. (by the last comment I am only referring to the idiot who knows it takes a while to get up to 132 mph)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kent Niederhofer View Post
    In particular when you consider what it takes to get a driver's license in the US versus Germany! They may as well give them away in a box of Cheerios here!
    Correction: most get their driver's license from a Cracker Jack box.


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    I've also been told by a dealer that the 1600B is limited due to speed wobble issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Friedle View Post
    If you want to survive on the road, don't attempt to pass multiple large vehicles unless you absolutely know it can be safely done. Speed is no substitute for good judgement.

    Friedle
    Dude, whatever happened to “Ride Fast and Take Chances” ... did you get old or something?

    I had no idea that this model was restricted to 100mph. I wouldn’t buy it because of this and it makes me wonder if the bike’s design makes it unstable at speed?

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    Why am I under the impression that the K1600 Grand America has the BMW speed limiter, not the K1600B?
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    That seems rather slow, for bragging rights. So some fat old guy on a dirty GS can run off and leave you. And of course the rider on the R1250RT can run off and leave him. The S1000RR rider yawns and shifts to 4th.

    There is always someone faster, smarter etc. Just go ride.

    Interesting stories beat bragging rights.

    Rod

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    A lot of good comments here. I seriously doubt that I will ever see the top speed on my R1200RT, but take some comfort in knowing that the extra ponies are there. This thread reminds me of a C. S. Lewis quote I saw recently:

    "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under Robber Barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep. his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience..."

    Seems applicable, so I thought I'd share it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PGlaves View Post
    I ride a G310GS. Due to its displacement and horsepower it runs out of oomph at right about 145 kph. Are you suggesting this motorcycle is thus unsafe to ride? And if so, in what way and why?
    unrelated but what do you think of the bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stebe View Post
    "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under Robber Barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep. his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience..."
    Do you consider the pressure relief valve on your water heater to be a tyranny? Its purpose is to prevent the water heater from operating outside its safe design limits. Same for the speed limiter on the K1600B Grand America.

    I guess it all depends on how you define tyranny. And FWIW, Lewis is one of my favorites

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