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    2015 R1200RT Part II

    As several suggested I do, I have spent two days riding and getting a better feel for the R1200RT.

    PLUSES:

    I think its best feature maybe is its light weight. Even filling up the gas tank increases the mass noticeably, so that's good because you don't have to fill it up but you can if you want to for longer range. Large tank is a plus.

    Another unique positive is its looks. It is definitely one of the better looking cycles out there, especially compared to the Japanese or Scandinavian competition.

    I readjusted the position of the Ilium Foot Pegs, moving them down and to the front. Now I would say that the ride is quite comfortable. The seat is flat, which is good. Some other BMWs I've had were "U" shaped, which I cannot abide. The handlebars are just right so, overall, I'm quite comfortable. Nice, roomy bags and topcase.

    The Boxer engine character/ low gravity center is obviously a plus that no other has, maybe the Ural. I like the windscreen. The "U" dip at the top of the windscreen is a genius idea. I like the heated bars and seats. Harley has those too.

    NEGATIVES:

    Still nothing special to say about the power. It is adequate. My '83 GS1100e had more grunt 'n' go and I believe Harleys torque out better.

    The turn indicator switch is very poor. It's tiny and I can't reliably locate or feel it with gloves on. BMWs used to have left hand right hand indicators. I think the magazines talked BMW out of them. Big mistake. I just use arm signals. Advantage Harley.

    Biggest negative is the price, both the new MSRP and the price I paid for a four year old example. I should never have paid $14.9K and it sticks in my craw. The 2010 - '13 model years would be the better investment, IMO. I understand the newer wet head has some more power and probably is more rideable in the heat, but I doubt the additional power is that noticeable.

    The electronic gewgaws with the multifunction display is not desirable to me. I have to sift through too many screens to get where I want to go. Most of the features are interesting but not worth $2000. The modes and the ASE are not valuable to me. The radio is not valuable to me. Most riders are better served with in-helmet speaker bluetooth and their smartphones. I still cannot find AM radio. I suspect Angela and her comrades don't want me listening to Rush Limbaugh.

    I still only have one key, which isn't enough when you have the not-color-matched topcase. I do not care for the bad trip the BMW Dealer I purchased from put me on.

    Over all, it is a very fine ride and I would like to keep it, if I can learn to live with the feeling that I got fleeced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamo View Post
    ...Still nothing special to say about the power. It is adequate. I'd '83 GS1100e had more and I believe Harleys torque out better.
    It's big twin, but it is not a Harley. It likes to rev. Keep it up above 3000 rpm, it will be much more fun to ride. Best gas mileage is also in the 3000-4000 rpm range.
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    Interesting thread. Although I've owned and tested other bikes, the thought that comes to mind most about my '16 RT is that its weight is so balanced and it fits me so well (after peg lowerers and barbacks) that I don't RIDE it so much as I WEAR it.

    Great bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkraus View Post
    It's big twin, but it is not a Harley. It likes to rev. Keep it up above 3000 rpm, it will be much more fun to ride. Best gas mileage is also in the 3000-4000 rpm range.
    This right here. It likes to rev. Keep it above 4k and it will sing. I normally ride in the 4-7k range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jstrube View Post
    This right here. It likes to rev. Keep it above 4k and it will sing. I normally ride in the 4-7k range.
    *******
    WOW! Harley Ultra Glide vs. RT is apples to oranges. I own a 2016 RT with everything and it's fantastic. Never owned a Harley but owned Honda CB's, a 2003 ST1100, a 2000RT and a 2013RT. Maybe you should try the K1600 bagger? Mine is still in storage at MAX BMW in CT. and can't wait to see it maybe next week.

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    I have a Heritage softail and my son has a stage one ultra limited. There is no metric where I am not faster...off the line, passing top cruise speed...

    Re: electronics and screen scrolling- I agree with you! I like the features but it's too distracting to keep scrolling foreward- even if I only need to go one screen back- there is no "back"

    The auto shift (whatever it's called) is an acquired taste- I couldnt say exactl;y when I use it- but I do! LOL and glad to have iot when I use it.

    I only got one key on my brand new 2016 RT I'm sure you could get another for $700 or $800 (I keed- I hope)

    When I go from my BMW to the Harley (I have both) my whole mindset changes...I even have different gear and I develop a German accent and I don't "wave" I salute!! Ja Ja Seriously 2 different bikes and I love them both. I tour on one and cruise on the other.


    edit: I have learned after ANY purchase, I stop looking- especially at prices...the deal is done it was what it was and I don't like to beat myself up with my ...impulsiveness? stupidity? bargaining inability?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rick601 View Post
    I have learned after ANY purchase, I stop looking- especially at prices...the deal is done it was what it was and I don't like to beat myself up with my ...impulsiveness? stupidity? bargaining inability?
    THIS ^^^


    Good deal or bad, it's done so worrying about it won't help at all. It is actually hurting you (the OP) because it's affecting your ability to bond with the machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pappy35 View Post
    THIS ^^^


    Good deal or bad, it's done so worrying about it won't help at all. It is actually hurting you (the OP) because it's affecting your ability to bond with the machine.
    Oh, no. I have to keep on worrying about it or Id have to find something else to keep me awake nights.

    If I take the kbb listing value and add the two option package values and a price for the top case then my pain eases somewhat. But not completely because I still miss the road Glide Ultra more than figures show.
    Turn on, tune in and ride off

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamo View Post
    As several suggested I do, I have spent two days riding and getting a better feel for the R1200RT.



    Still nothing special to say about the power. It is adequate. My '83 GS1100e had more grunt 'n' go and I believe Harleys torque out better.

    Over all, it is a very fine ride and I would like to keep it, if I can learn to live with the feeling that I got fleeced.
    Downshift! It is not a HD v-twin. Keep in mind you don't run it at 2,500 RPM like a Harley, it is happier at 3,500 and above.

    As for the fleecing, yup, the dealer could have treated you better.

    I am dealing with a fleecing too, but self inflicted. I bought a used 2018 R1200RT last fall that had 125 miles on it, long story on the bike and miles, but at the time it was an alright deal for $21,000, list was $25'ish, but BMW was giving the dealers a kick back to get the price down to $22,500 that I did not know about, so I could have bought a new bike for 1,500 more. Now come to this spring. 2018's are sold all over for $18K-$19K so my deal is really bad today. I borrowed money to buy it and now owe more than it would be to replace it. Well, crap! Live and learn!

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    Life is a Konmarie undertaking; one should keep what brings joy and discard the rest lest it’s clutter mar the feng shui of one’s life.


    Motorcycles are always a poor investment money-wise. They are expensive to buy and maintain, depreciate rapidly, increase insurance and other costs, and so on. Sensible people look backward on their motorcycle investments and weep, the rest of us look forward at the thrill, enjoyment, relaxation, camaraderie and more that we will get from riding our irrational purchases; we grin with anticipation and pleasure, both inwardly and outwardly. It has always been thus—we either imbibe the exhilaration and crave the next riding fix, or turn away and seek enjoyment and meaning in...counting coins, I guess.

    Time to pour a couple more Black Russian doubles,

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamo View Post
    As several suggested I do, I have spent two days riding and getting a better feel for the R1200RT.

    PLUSES:

    I think its best feature maybe is its light weight. Even filling up the gas tank increases the mass noticeably, so that's good because you don't have to fill it up but you can if you want to for longer range. Large tank is a plus.

    Another unique positive is its looks. It is definitely one of the better looking cycles out there, especially compared to the Japanese or Scandinavian competition.

    I readjusted the position of the Ilium Foot Pegs, moving them down and to the front. Now I would say that the ride is quite comfortable. The seat is flat, which is good. Some other BMWs I've had were "U" shaped, which I cannot abide. The handlebars are just right so, overall, I'm quite comfortable. Nice, roomy bags and topcase.

    The Boxer engine character/ low gravity center is obviously a plus that no other has, maybe the Ural. I like the windscreen. The "U" dip at the top of the windscreen is a genius idea. I like the heated bars and seats. Harley has those too.

    NEGATIVES:

    Still nothing special to say about the power. It is adequate. My '83 GS1100e had more grunt 'n' go and I believe Harleys torque out better.

    The turn indicator switch is very poor. It's tiny and I can't reliably locate or feel it with gloves on. BMWs used to have left hand right hand indicators. I think the magazines talked BMW out of them. Big mistake. I just use arm signals. Advantage Harley.

    Biggest negative is the price, both the new MSRP and the price I paid for a four year old example. I should never have paid $14.9K and it sticks in my craw. The 2010 - '13 model years would be the better investment, IMO. I understand the newer wet head has some more power and probably is more rideable in the heat, but I doubt the additional power is that noticeable.

    The electronic gewgaws with the multifunction display is not desirable to me. I have to sift through too many screens to get where I want to go. Most of the features are interesting but not worth $2000. The modes and the ASE are not valuable to me. The radio is not valuable to me. Most riders are better served with in-helmet speaker bluetooth and their smartphones. I still cannot find AM radio. I suspect Angela and her comrades don't want me listening to Rush Limbaugh.

    I still only have one key, which isn't enough when you have the not-color-matched topcase. I do not care for the bad trip the BMW Dealer I purchased from put me on.

    Over all, it is a very fine ride and I would like to keep it, if I can learn to live with the feeling that I got fleeced.
    You only get fleeced if you sell it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoorUB View Post
    Downshift! It is not a HD v-twin. Keep in mind you don't run it at 2,500 RPM like a Harley, it is happier at 3,500 and above.

    As for the fleecing, yup, the dealer could have treated you better.

    I am dealing with a fleecing too, but self inflicted. I bought a used 2018 R1200RT last fall that had 125 miles on it, long story on the bike and miles, but at the time it was an alright deal for $21,000, list was $25'ish, but BMW was giving the dealers a kick back to get the price down to $22,500 that I did not know about, so I could have bought a new bike for 1,500 more. Now come to this spring. 2018's are sold all over for $18K-$19K so my deal is really bad today. I borrowed money to buy it and now owe more than it would be to replace it. Well, crap! Live and learn!
    At first this post made me feel better from a misery loves company respective. Then I started to think that ... .
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    While Harleys do have torque, your new BMW actually makes 112 lbs. ft. of torque. That might just be more than your HD! You will learn it is there. I get the feeling you are riding the RT like you did the Harley. The power is there, you just are not tapping it. But power isn't everything anyway. The multiple screens that bother you....will become quite normal and welcome to use in time. Quicker than you think! Turn signals? I had the older style....very glad BMW went to the more universal style which again is something you have to relearn.

    You have already gotten around what I thought was the biggest hurdle. The seating position. You have worked that out to your satisfaction. You mention the windshield...as good as that is there are aftermarket alternatives that improve on it significantly! Hang in there. The more you learn about the bike, the more comfortable you will get. Which will lead to more riding and that leads to being more comfortable! Like I said in my first reply, you couldn't be on two more different bikes.

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    If you want good power from the bike you need to be above 4,000 rpm if you want real power you need to be in the power-band which is I think starts at about 6,200 rpm I'm sure other know the details. The first time I was in the power-band and gave more throttle the bike pulled me back, I was surprised how powerful this bike is. Get the RPM's up and a smile should appear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamo View Post
    Oh, no. I have to keep on worrying about it or Id have to find something else to keep me awake nights.

    If I take the kbb listing value and add the two option package values and a price for the top case then my pain eases somewhat. But not completely because I still miss the road Glide Ultra more than figures show.
    Look for a used Road Glide Ultra at a good price... Then you get that bike to ride as well and can average out the two deals in your mind so in one the dealer was favored and in the other you got the upper hand.

    Once you get used to the RT, you might like the memory of the Road Glide Ultra more than actually riding one... (that goes for any bike, New vs the memory of what you used to have)
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